weave@sun.acs.udel.edu (Ken Weaverling) (01/04/90)
This should be an easy question! When there is a call for votes, who may vote? Is this just limited to administrators of systems, or may common folk vote too? -- Ken Weaverling - Systems Administrator | Internet: 00499@vax1.acs.udel.edu Delaware Technical & Community College | Voice: +1 302 573 5460
unccab@calico.med.unc.edu (Charles Balan) (01/04/90)
In article <6355@sun.acs.udel.edu> weave@sun.acs.udel.edu (Ken Weaverling) writes: >This should be an easy question! When even _I_ can answer the question, you know it is a simple one! :-) > >When there is a call for votes, who may vote? Is this just limited >to administrators of systems, or may common folk vote too? > Usenet is an anarchy of sites looped together so that nice people (and others) may communicate, learn, exchange data, relax and do other things. When a new group comes up for a vote, all those who are interested may submit a vote...however, the _ideals_ of the voting procedure are that those who would use a known group would be voting on it (hopefully). For example, if you wanted to start a newsgroup comp.sys.nz.sheep you would hold a discussion period in which ANYONE could contribute their $.02 (nz) worth, then, after the appropriate waiting period (ahem) you would post a call for votes for comp.sys.nz.sheep. ANYONE on the net, including net.gods, net.admins, common.folk and net.schizos may vote on your new group (albeit net.schizos may vote twice :-) , even though all of them may not subscribe to your sheep group. That is the way this particular anarchy is governed [sic]. I am sure this is more of an answer than you wanted, but I feel loquacious today ;-) Charles Balan UNCCAB@med.unc.edu , UNCCAB@uncmed.uucp , UNCCAB@unc.bitnet %%%%%%%%%%%%% A Witty Saying Proves Nothing - Voltaire %%%%%%%%%%%%
briang@bari.Sun.COM (Brian Gordon) (01/05/90)
In article <6355@sun.acs.udel.edu> weave@sun.acs.udel.edu (Ken Weaverling) writes: >This should be an easy question! > >When there is a call for votes, who may vote? Is this just limited >to administrators of systems, or may common folk vote too? An easy one -- anyone who reads ("subscribes to") news.groups is allowed to vote, and anyone who has access to e-mail CAN vote. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Brian G. Gordon briang@Corp.Sun.COM (if you trust exotic mailers) | | ...!sun!briangordon (if you route it yourself) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
bill@twwells.com (T. William Wells) (01/05/90)
In article <129878@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> briang@sun.UUCP (Brian Gordon) writes: : In article <6355@sun.acs.udel.edu> weave@sun.acs.udel.edu (Ken Weaverling) writes: : >This should be an easy question! : > : >When there is a call for votes, who may vote? Is this just limited : >to administrators of systems, or may common folk vote too? : : An easy one -- anyone who reads ("subscribes to") news.groups is allowed to : vote, and anyone who has access to e-mail CAN vote. There is nothing at all that says that you must subscribe to news.groups in order to vote. Anyone who is able to is allowed to vote. However, there is one caveat: the vote is not like a vote in real life, in that all concerned are obligated to abide by it. Rather, the vote is a way that people who are responsible for their individual systems can get a feel for whether they ought to allow a particular newsgroup. Calling it a vote is something of a misnomer; "poll" would be a better term. So, if it were discovered that lots of people voted on a group who had no real reason to vote, many system administrators are likely to reject the vote results as not meaningful. The effect? The newsgroup gets, at best, a poor distribution, and, at worst, never gets created at all. This, BTW, is not theoretical; just such a thing (with, unfortunately, more than just vote-stuffing going on) happened fairly recently. With the expected results. To summarize: anyone who can send e-mail *may* vote; only those who have reasons related to the group (or the net, as it applies to the group) one way or the other *should* vote. --- Bill { uunet | novavax | ankh | sunvice } !twwells!bill bill@twwells.com
berryh@udel.edu (John Berryhill) (01/06/90)
In article <1990Jan5.112408.27299@twwells.com> bill@twwells.com (T. William Wells) writes: > >To summarize: anyone who can send e-mail *may* vote; only those >who have reasons related to the group (or the net, as it applies >to the group) one way or the other *should* vote. For his next trick, Mr. Wells will explain how someone can have an interest in seeing a group *not* created. -- John Berryhill 143 King William, Newark DE 19711
briang@bari.Sun.COM (Brian Gordon) (01/06/90)
In article <1990Jan5.112408.27299@twwells.com> bill@twwells.com (T. William Wells) writes: >In article <129878@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> briang@sun.UUCP (Brian Gordon) writes: >: In article <6355@sun.acs.udel.edu> weave@sun.acs.udel.edu (Ken Weaverling) writes: >: >This should be an easy question! >: > >: >When there is a call for votes, who may vote? Is this just limited >: >to administrators of systems, or may common folk vote too? >: >: An easy one -- anyone who reads ("subscribes to") news.groups is allowed to >: vote, and anyone who has access to e-mail CAN vote. > >There is nothing at all that says that you must subscribe to >news.groups in order to vote. > >Anyone who is able to is allowed to vote. However, there is one > [...] >To summarize: anyone who can send e-mail *may* vote; only those >who have reasons related to the group (or the net, as it applies >to the group) one way or the other *should* vote. Not that different a sentiment, really. Those who do NOT subscribe to news.groups probably are unaware of the history, protocols, rules/guidelines, etc. of typical news group formation and hence, perhaps, "less qualified" to vote yea or nay. If you are interested in a topic but naive in the ways of usenet, you are probably as easy to manipulate as a typical <insert big city name> <insert traditional controlling party> voter ;-} +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ | Brian G. Gordon briang@Corp.Sun.COM (if you trust exotic mailers) | | ...!sun!briangordon (if you route it yourself) | +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+
gary@sci34hub.UUCP (Gary Heston) (01/06/90)
In article <6355@sun.acs.udel.edu>, weave@sun.acs.udel.edu (Ken Weaverling) writes: > When there is a call for votes, who may vote? Is this just limited > to administrators of systems, or may common folk vote too? > Ken Weaverling - Systems Administrator | Internet: 00499@vax1.acs.udel.edu Anyone who can get a vote in (this generally, but not necessarily, implies having an email account somewhere) to the vote-taker is entitled to vote. There's no restriction regarding who may vote, only that they're limited to one vote per person. One person sending in several votes under different names is heavily frowned upon. -- Gary Heston { uunet!sci34hub!gary } System Mismanager SCI Technology, Inc. OEM Products Department (i.e., computers) Hestons' First Law: I qualify virtually everything I say.
berryh@udel.edu (John Berryhill) (01/06/90)
It's very simple. Send your e-mail address to richard@gryphon.com telling him that I sent you. Every week you will receive a list of which groups the cognoscenti are voting for and against. That way you can be assured of never ending up on the wrong side of a vote. -- John Berryhill 143 King William, Newark DE 19711
bill@twwells.com (T. William Wells) (01/06/90)
In article <129926@sun.Eng.Sun.COM> briang@sun.UUCP (Brian Gordon) writes:
: >Anyone who is able to is allowed to vote. However, there is one
: > [...]
: >To summarize: anyone who can send e-mail *may* vote; only those
: >who have reasons related to the group (or the net, as it applies
: >to the group) one way or the other *should* vote.
:
: Not that different a sentiment, really. Those who do NOT subscribe to
: news.groups probably are unaware of the history, protocols, rules/guidelines,
: etc. of typical news group formation and hence, perhaps, "less qualified" to
: vote yea or nay. If you are interested in a topic but naive in the ways of
: usenet, you are probably as easy to manipulate as a typical <insert big city
: name> <insert traditional controlling party> voter ;-}
Well, one could, for example, subscribe to
news.announce.newgroups and leave news.groups to the vermin.
Considering the typical activities on news.groups, that may be a
good idea. I'm seriously considering it myself.
However, Mr. Gordon does have a good point: to vote, one should be
aware of what is going on; reading news.groups will certainly
enlighten you. While disgusting you.
Oh well, no one has ever suggested that politics is clean. :-)
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Bill { uunet | novavax | ankh | sunvice } !twwells!bill
bill@twwells.combill@twwells.com (T. William Wells) (01/06/90)
In article <7557@nigel.udel.EDU> berryh@udel.edu (John Berryhill) writes:
: It's very simple.
:
: Send your e-mail address to richard@gryphon.com telling him that I
: sent you. Every week you will receive a list of which groups the
: cognoscenti are voting for and against. That way you can be assured
: of never ending up on the wrong side of a vote.
Excuse me, Mr. Berryhill, this newsgroup is not talk.bizarre.
When this group was first created, a host of dimwits, who thought
themselves oh so clever, posted quite a bit of inanity and very
nearly made this group useless. Fortunately for us, they got
tired of their fun and went off somewhere else.
Since then, this group has been serving quite nicely its intended
purpose. Without, by and large, flame wars and large numbers of
irrelevant postings.
We'd like to keep it that way.
Please take your comments elsewhere. They are not wanted here.
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Bill { uunet | novavax | ankh | sunvice } !twwells!bill
bill@twwells.commholtz@sactoh0.UUCP (Mark A. Holtz) (01/07/90)
In article <6355@sun.acs.udel.edu>, weave@sun.acs.udel.edu (Ken Weaverling) writes: > When there is a call for votes, who may vote? Is this just limited > to administrators of systems, or may common folk vote too? When a call for votes is announced, everyone on the net maills in their vote IF THEY WANT TO. -- {ames att sun}!pacbell! \ <-> America OnLine: Mark Holtz ucdavis!csusac! -> sactoh0!mholtz <=> GEnie: M.HOLTZ uunet!mmsac! / <-> Home Phone: (916) 722-8522