[news.newusers.questions] Monthly posting on USENET manual set

cpcahil@virtech.uucp (Conor P. Cahill) (06/12/90)

This is the monthly posting announcing the availability of printed manuals
for many of the software packages available via USENET.

For those of you whom would like to get printed documents for many of the
software packages available via USENET, I have put together a troff formatted
8 1/2 x 5 1/2 manual set containing all of the following:

Manual 1: The user's/programmer's reference Manual (416 pages)

 1. Introduction and permuted index (16 pages)

 2. The following manual pages: (400 pages)
 
    a2p.1         cpr.1         listalias.1   perl.1        rnmail.1
    afio.1        diffc.1       matches.1     pnews.1       rz.1
    answer.1      diskhog.1     mcc.1         postnews.1    s2p.1
    autoreply.1   dviselect.1   merge.1       printmail.1   sz.1
    btoa.1        elm.1         messages.1    rcs-intro.1   texi2roff.1
    bytesplit.1   fastmail.1    minirb.1      rcs.1         undump.1
    cdecl.1       filter.1      modem_break.1 rcsclean.1    vnews.1
    cfman.1       frm.1         mush.1        rcsdiff.1     waitfor.1
    checkalias.1  gcc.1         newalias.1    rcsfreeze.1   which.1
    checknews.1   grep.1        newmail.1     rcsmerge.1    wnewmail.1
    ci.1          ident.1       newsetup.1    readmsg.1     zcmp.1
    co.1          inews.1       newsgroups.1  readnews.1    zless.1
    compress.1    less.1        patch.1       rlog.1        zmore.1
    compressdir.1 lesskey.1     pcomm.1       rn.1
 
    ftw.3        getdate.3    scanargs.3   scandir.3
 
    news-b.5    news.5      newsrc.5    rcsfile.5
    
    mn.7
    
    dcheck.8      inews.8       nohog.8       recnews.8     sendnews.8
    expire-b.8    newsaux.8     pathalias.8   relaynews.8   uurec.8
    expire.8      newsbatch.8   pexpire-b.8   rnews.8
    fsanalyze.8   newsmail.8    pexpire.8     sendbatch.8
 

Manual 2: The user's/programmer's reference guide (596 pages)
 
 1. B News: Copyright, How To Read the Network News, Installation guide,
 	    How to use Usenet Effectively,  Usenet Messages standard
 2. C News: Installation, The Interface Between C News and the Outside
 	    World
 3. Elm:    User guide, Reference guide, Config guide, Alias Users guide,
 	    Filter System guide, Forms Mode Guide
 4. GNU:    gnu-cpp, gnu-cc, gnu-gdb, gnu-make gnu-tar
 5. Pcomm:  Pcomm Reference Manual
 6. RCS:    Design paper, Functions of RCS

This was all printed using eroff (a third party DWB package for 386/ix that
includes HPlaserjet and postscript support) on a Panasonic Laser Partner.
The final print was made on 60# paper which should hold up quite well under
heavy usage.

The cash discount price, including shipping, is as follows:

				Virginia	Continental	Hawii/Alaska
						   US		   Canada
Manual set			$42.60		$41.00		   $46.50
Manual set with binders		$55.64		$53.50		   $59.00

Please note that this pricing is only "cost-recovery" pricing.  We are not
making any profit on the deal.

Pricing outside of North America will be $35.50 for the manuals, $12.00
for the binders, plus applicable shipping/handling.  Send me a message
telling me where you are and I will respond with the costs.  Please note
that all payments must be in US dollars.

The cash price includes a 3 % discount, so the credit card pricing will be
3% higher. COD orders will also be accepted.  The COD charge is $5.00.

To order a copy:

	Send a check, money order, whatever to

		Virtual Technologies Inc.
		46030 Manekin Plaza, Suite 160
		Sterling VA 22170.

	Make sure you include the following:

		1. the check/money order made out to Virtual Technologies
		2. Your street address (UPS will not deliver to a pobox)
		3. Your uucp mail address in case I need to get in touch
		   with you.

For credit card orders:

	call: (703) 430-9247 and have the following information available:

		1. your credit card number
		2. expiration date
		3. Home phone number
		4. Street address and billing address
		5. Your uucp mail address.

	You can also snail-mail all that info to our address.  Email 
	credit card orders will not be accepted.


-- 
Conor P. Cahill            (703)430-9247        Virtual Technologies, Inc.,
uunet!virtech!cpcahil                           46030 Manekin Plaza, Suite 160
                                                Sterling, VA 22170 

esd@liebert.uucp (Eric Scott Deese) (06/12/90)

In article <1990Jun11.221620.1398@virtech.uucp> cpcahil@virtech.uucp (Conor P. Cahill) writes:
>This is the monthly posting announcing the availability of printed manuals
>for many of the software packages available via USENET.

  [ lot's of stuff deleted ]

>Please note that this pricing is only "cost-recovery" pricing.  We are not
>making any profit on the deal.
>
>-- 
>Conor P. Cahill            (703)430-9247        Virtual Technologies, Inc.,
>uunet!virtech!cpcahil                           46030 Manekin Plaza, Suite 160
>                                                Sterling, VA 22170 

Well heck, why not make a (small) profit on it.  While you are at 
it, why not just package up the binaries for 386/ix, ESIX, SCO UNIX
and SCO XENIX.  Try to include as much of the GNU stuff as
possible.  I'm currently working on the GNU stuff under SCO UNIX.
I don't have the time to bother making money from my effort, but
someone should be able to.  (This could almost be construed as an
offer to help Conner or Karl Denninger or any of you resellers
that has the resell ability to do this.)  I feel someone should
be making all of this stuff available in a convenient installable
form.  Of course, you don't want to charge too much, or I won't
be able to buy it from you ;-).  It's all just a thought.

Eric Deese (osu-cis!liebert!esd)

cpcahil@virtech.uucp (Conor P. Cahill) (06/13/90)

In article <1990Jun12.144957.8879@liebert.uucp> esd@liebert.UUCP (Eric Scott Deese) writes:
>Well heck, why not make a (small) profit on it.  While you are at 
>it, why not just package up the binaries for 386/ix, ESIX, SCO UNIX
>and SCO XENIX.  Try to include as much of the GNU stuff as

I am in the progress of putting everything together for a *source* tape
that has the most recent source code for all of the programs in the manual
set.  However, the realistic costs for making and shipping a tape approach
$100 which is too much for most people.  (That is the price that I have the
X11R4+fixes available for and only a few people have asked for it).

I have not fully considered the problems with making a binary distribution,
but I don't think they are small.  Problems with configuration, maintenance
updates, testing, QA, returns, etc all come to mind.

-- 
Conor P. Cahill            (703)430-9247        Virtual Technologies, Inc.,
uunet!virtech!cpcahil                           46030 Manekin Plaza, Suite 160
                                                Sterling, VA 22170 

cpcahil@virtech.uucp (Conor P. Cahill) (08/07/90)

This is the monthly posting announcing the availability of printed manuals
for many of the software packages available via USENET.

For those of you whom would like to get printed documents for many of the
software packages available via USENET, I have put together a troff formatted
8 1/2 x 5 1/2 manual set containing all of the following:

Manual 1: The user's/programmer's reference Manual (416 pages)

 1. Introduction and permuted index (16 pages)

 2. The following manual pages: (400 pages)
 
    a2p.1         cpr.1         listalias.1   perl.1        rnmail.1
    afio.1        diffc.1       matches.1     pnews.1       rz.1
    answer.1      diskhog.1     mcc.1         postnews.1    s2p.1
    autoreply.1   dviselect.1   merge.1       printmail.1   sz.1
    btoa.1        elm.1         messages.1    rcs-intro.1   texi2roff.1
    bytesplit.1   fastmail.1    minirb.1      rcs.1         undump.1
    cdecl.1       filter.1      modem_break.1 rcsclean.1    vnews.1
    cfman.1       frm.1         mush.1        rcsdiff.1     waitfor.1
    checkalias.1  gcc.1         newalias.1    rcsfreeze.1   which.1
    checknews.1   grep.1        newmail.1     rcsmerge.1    wnewmail.1
    ci.1          ident.1       newsetup.1    readmsg.1     zcmp.1
    co.1          inews.1       newsgroups.1  readnews.1    zless.1
    compress.1    less.1        patch.1       rlog.1        zmore.1
    compressdir.1 lesskey.1     pcomm.1       rn.1
 
    ftw.3        getdate.3    scanargs.3   scandir.3
 
    news-b.5    news.5      newsrc.5    rcsfile.5
    
    mn.7
    
    dcheck.8      inews.8       nohog.8       recnews.8     sendnews.8
    expire-b.8    newsaux.8     pathalias.8   relaynews.8   uurec.8
    expire.8      newsbatch.8   pexpire-b.8   rnews.8
    fsanalyze.8   newsmail.8    pexpire.8     sendbatch.8
 

Manual 2: The user's/programmer's reference guide (596 pages)
 
 1. B News: Copyright, How To Read the Network News, Installation guide,
 	    How to use Usenet Effectively,  Usenet Messages standard
 2. C News: Installation, The Interface Between C News and the Outside
 	    World
 3. Elm:    User guide, Reference guide, Config guide, Alias Users guide,
 	    Filter System guide, Forms Mode Guide
 4. GNU:    gnu-cpp, gnu-cc, gnu-gdb, gnu-make gnu-tar
 5. Pcomm:  Pcomm Reference Manual
 6. RCS:    Design paper, Functions of RCS

This was all printed using eroff (a third party DWB package for 386/ix that
includes HPlaserjet and postscript support) on a Panasonic Laser Partner.
The final print was made on 60# paper which should hold up quite well under
heavy usage.

The cash discount price, including shipping, is as follows:

				Virginia	Continental	Hawii/Alaska
						   US		   Canada
Manual set			$42.60		$41.00		   $46.50
Manual set with binders		$55.64		$53.50		   $59.00

Please note that this pricing is only "cost-recovery" pricing.  We are not
making any profit on the deal.

Pricing outside of North America will be $35.50 for the manuals, $12.00
for the binders, plus applicable shipping/handling.  Send me a message
telling me where you are and I will respond with the costs.  Please note
that all payments must be in US dollars.

The cash price includes a 3 % discount, so the credit card pricing will be
3% higher. COD orders will also be accepted.  The COD charge is $5.00.

To order a copy:

	Send a check, money order, whatever to

		Virtual Technologies Inc.
		46030 Manekin Plaza, Suite 160
		Sterling VA 22170.

	Make sure you include the following:

		1. the check/money order made out to Virtual Technologies
		2. Your street address (UPS will not deliver to a pobox)
		3. Your uucp mail address in case I need to get in touch
		   with you.

For credit card orders:

	call: (703) 430-9247 and have the following information available:

		1. your credit card number
		2. expiration date
		3. Home phone number
		4. Street address and billing address
		5. Your uucp mail address.

	You can also snail-mail all that info to our address.  Email 
	credit card orders will not be accepted.

-- 
Conor P. Cahill            (703)430-9247        Virtual Technologies, Inc.,
uunet!virtech!cpcahil                           46030 Manekin Plaza, Suite 160
                                                Sterling, VA 22170 

cpcahil@virtech.uucp (Conor P. Cahill) (09/07/90)

This is the monthly posting announcing the availability of printed manuals
for many of the software packages available via USENET.

* I have added shipping costs for several locations outside North America. *
* If your location is not listed send me email & I will let you know what  *
* the costs are.                                                           *

For those of you whom would like to get printed documents for many of the
software packages available via USENET, I have put together a troff formatted
8 1/2 x 5 1/2 manual set containing all of the following:

Manual 1: The user's/programmer's reference Manual (416 pages)

 1. Introduction and permuted index (16 pages)

 2. The following manual pages: (400 pages)
 
    a2p.1         cpr.1         listalias.1   perl.1        rnmail.1
    afio.1        diffc.1       matches.1     pnews.1       rz.1
    answer.1      diskhog.1     mcc.1         postnews.1    s2p.1
    autoreply.1   dviselect.1   merge.1       printmail.1   sz.1
    btoa.1        elm.1         messages.1    rcs-intro.1   texi2roff.1
    bytesplit.1   fastmail.1    minirb.1      rcs.1         undump.1
    cdecl.1       filter.1      modem_break.1 rcsclean.1    vnews.1
    cfman.1       frm.1         mush.1        rcsdiff.1     waitfor.1
    checkalias.1  gcc.1         newalias.1    rcsfreeze.1   which.1
    checknews.1   grep.1        newmail.1     rcsmerge.1    wnewmail.1
    ci.1          ident.1       newsetup.1    readmsg.1     zcmp.1
    co.1          inews.1       newsgroups.1  readnews.1    zless.1
    compress.1    less.1        patch.1       rlog.1        zmore.1
    compressdir.1 lesskey.1     pcomm.1       rn.1
 
    ftw.3        getdate.3    scanargs.3   scandir.3
 
    news-b.5    news.5      newsrc.5    rcsfile.5
    
    mn.7
    
    dcheck.8      inews.8       nohog.8       recnews.8     sendnews.8
    expire-b.8    newsaux.8     pathalias.8   relaynews.8   uurec.8
    expire.8      newsbatch.8   pexpire-b.8   rnews.8
    fsanalyze.8   newsmail.8    pexpire.8     sendbatch.8
 

Manual 2: The user's/programmer's reference guide (596 pages)
 
 1. B News: Copyright, How To Read the Network News, Installation guide,
 	    How to use Usenet Effectively,  Usenet Messages standard
 2. C News: Installation, The Interface Between C News and the Outside
 	    World
 3. Elm:    User guide, Reference guide, Config guide, Alias Users guide,
 	    Filter System guide, Forms Mode Guide
 4. GNU:    gnu-cpp, gnu-cc, gnu-gdb, gnu-make gnu-tar
 5. Pcomm:  Pcomm Reference Manual
 6. RCS:    Design paper, Functions of RCS

This was all printed using eroff (a third party DWB package for 386/ix that
includes HPlaserjet and postscript support) on a Panasonic Laser Partner.
The final print was made on 60# paper which should hold up quite well under
heavy usage.

The cash discount price, including shipping, is as follows:

				Virginia	Continental	Hawii/Alaska
						   US		   Canada
Manual set			$42.60		$41.00		   $46.50
Manual set with binders		$55.64		$53.50		   $59.00

Please note that this pricing is only "cost-recovery" pricing.  We are not
making any profit on the deal.

Pricing outside of North America will be $35.50 for the manuals, $12.00
for the binders, plus applicable shipping/handling.  Send me a message
telling me where you are and I will respond with the costs.  Please note
that all payments must be in US dollars.

The cash price includes a 3 % discount, so the credit card pricing will be
3% higher. COD orders will also be accepted.  The COD charge is $5.00.

To order a copy:

	Send a check, money order, whatever to

		Virtual Technologies Inc.
		46030 Manekin Plaza, Suite 160
		Sterling VA 22170.

	Make sure you include the following:

		1. the check/money order made out to Virtual Technologies
		2. Your street address (UPS will not deliver to a pobox)
		3. Your uucp mail address in case I need to get in touch
		   with you.

For credit card orders:

	call: (703) 430-9247 and have the following information available:

		1. your credit card number
		2. expiration date
		3. Home phone number
		4. Street address and billing address
		5. Your uucp mail address.

	You can also snail-mail all that info to our address.  Email 
	credit card orders will not be accepted.

-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
		Sample SHIPPING costs for overseas shipments

		manuals without binders		manuals with binders
Country		  Surface 	    Air		Surface		Air

Finland		$10.00(45.50)	$30.00(65.50)	$15.00(62.50)	$46.00( 93.50)
England		  7.00(42.50)	 24.00(59.50)	  9.00(56.50)	 39.00( 86.50)
W. Germany	 10.00(45.50)	 26.00(61.50)	 15.00(62.50)	 38.00( 85.50)
Sweden		 10.00(45.50)	 30.00(65.50)	 15.00(62.50)	 46.00( 93.50)
Japan		 10.00(45.50)	 35.00(70.50)	 15.00(62.50)	 54.00(101.50)
New Zealand	 10.00(45.50)	 30.00(65.50)	 15.00(62.50)	 46.00( 93.50)

All costs are in $US.  Number in parenthesis is the total cost including
shipping.
-- 
Conor P. Cahill            (703)430-9247        Virtual Technologies, Inc.,
uunet!virtech!cpcahil                           46030 Manekin Plaza, Suite 160
                                                Sterling, VA 22170 

jliu@hpuxa.ircc.ohio-state.edu (Joe Liu) (09/10/90)

In article <1990Sep06.215045.25117@virtech.uucp> cpcahil@virtech.uucp (Conor P. Cahill) writes:
......
>Please note that this pricing is only "cost-recovery" pricing.  We are not
>making any profit on the deal.

  Suggestion #1, Won't it be more convient for everyone who wants the docs
to be able to fetch them from some ftp site if you put them there ? That 
way, you don't waste all your time and effort to print, bind and mail them
while the users don't have to wait. They can print out the portions they 
need when they need them.

  Suggestion #2, you are not making any profit, while by addvertising on 
10 or so groups world wide, you are costing someone some real money, and 
your customers are sending out some real $50 for each order. This then 
is not the thing worthy to do, is it ?  To make the world turn, bussiness 
or individuals have to make profits, one way or another.  And I sincerely 
hope you do.  Otherwise, I suggest you go back to suggestion  #1n


Joe