[gnu.misc.discuss] Copyleftism vs Capitalism

meo@stiatl.UUCP (Miles O'Neal) (12/20/89)

In article <NELSON.89Dec18212423@image.clarkson.edu> nelson@clutx.clarkson.edu writes:
|In article <8255@stiatl.UUCP> meo@stiatl.UUCP (Miles O'Neal) writes:
|There is indeed a way to make money off of Copylefted software.  You
|find a user group whose members need a particular program that you are
|capable of writing.  The user group pays you your money and you write the
|program.
|
|They get a useful program that they can give to their friends, family,
|and whoever else they want.  And you get a risk-free way to earn XX
|amount of dollars.  You *know* that you will make money off of the
|program, and you even know how much.

Which puts me in the same place as a consultant. If I wanted to do
that, I would (and I have). (Consultant, contract programmer, whatever)

|As I see it, what *you* want is the right to make an unlimited amount
|of money off of your program.  

Nope. But if I see a need, and I fill it, I should be able to make a good
living off of that. And in this country, I get to decide what that good
living ought to be, and shoot for it.

Find me enough user groups to keep even all the *good* software engineers,
programmers, etc, out there busy and paid at the rate they want (or are you
in the seat to decide what they *ought* to get paid?), or think they're
worth. Go ahead. Send me the list.

Sounds like utopian thinking. Sure, I dream, but I also live in the
real world. Someone (Barry?) got into the economics of it VERY well
in a recent posting, and I have yet to see a rational, economics-based
response.

-Miles

nelson@sun.soe.clarkson.edu (Russ Nelson) (12/20/89)

In article <8277@stiatl.UUCP> meo@stiatl.UUCP (Miles O'Neal) writes:

   Find me enough user groups to keep even all the *good* software engineers,
   programmers, etc, out there busy and paid at the rate they want (or are you
   in the seat to decide what they *ought* to get paid?), or think they're
   worth. Go ahead. Send me the list.

Aha!  I see you're getting close to the truth.  Most of what passes for
programming today is wheel-reinventing.
--
--russ (nelson@clutx [.bitnet | .clarkson.edu])  Russ.Nelson@$315.268.6667
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meo@stiatl.UUCP (Miles O'Neal) (12/21/89)

I wrote:
|
|Find me enough user groups to keep even all the *good* software engineers,
|programmers, etc, out there busy and paid at the rate they want (or are you
|in the seat to decide what they *ought* to get paid?), or think they're
|worth. Go ahead. Send me the list.

Russ Nelson responded:

|Aha!  I see you're getting close to the truth.  Most of what passes for
|programming today is wheel-reinventing.

Aha! I already figured taht one out a long time ago!

But (a) what is most? 50%? 90% I don't know. I *do* know I don't work
at that type of thing. If it isn't creative, and doesn't meet some
real need, I'll leave it to the COBOL folks at the bank... 8^)

-Miles