[rec.arts.tv.uk] *CALL FOR DISCUSSION - New group "rec.arts.uk.misc"*

MATON%SASK.BITNET@EVANS.UCAR.EDU (11/28/89)

There has been a lot of comment in recent times regarding postings
to 'rec.arts.tv.uk' that have nothing to do with TV.
The fact is that they do often originate from questions arising
from brit tv shows seen in N. America (and maybe elsewhere).
However, I think it is time to give a seperate sub-group for these
questions/discussions of things such as food, customs, sayings etc.

As there are many locations that do not get the '.soc' newsgroups
it would seem appropriate to have this group under the '.rec'
heading.

I suggest a discussion period to last until Dec 15th at which time
if interest seems to be there, and general proposals be agreed, a
Call for Votes would be issued.



        Terry Maton
        University of Saskatchewan
        Saskatoon
        Saskatchewan
        Canada

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ray@philmtl.philips.ca (Ray Dunn) (11/29/89)

In article <8911281706.AA06461@ncar.UCAR.EDU> <MATON%SASK.BITNET@EVANS.UCAR.EDU> writes:
>
>As there are many locations that do not get the '.soc' newsgroups
>it would seem appropriate to have this group under the '.rec'
>heading.
>

Sigh.... here we go again, a totally inappropriate name just for
distribution reasons.  Anarchy at its worst I suppose.

>There has been a lot of comment in recent times regarding postings
>to 'rec.arts.tv.uk' that have nothing to do with TV.

No, there has been at most a handful of comments in a newsgroup that
averages about 10 postings a day.  Until your call for discussion, there was
only 1 posting on the subject in the last 15 days.

>The fact is that they do often originate from questions arising
>from brit tv shows seen in N. America (and maybe elsewhere).

So, in fact there is a strong argument that the postings are perfectly
valid.

>However, I think it is time to give a seperate sub-group for these
>questions/discussions of things such as food, customs, sayings etc.

Why is a sub-group required in a newsgroup with a daily traffic of
10 postings?
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jmdoyle@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Jennifer Doyle) (12/07/89)

In article <1989Dec5.142855.7945@dvinci.usask.ca> (Terry Maton) writes:
>In article <1989Nov28.233823.13658@aqdata.uucp> (Michael T. Sullivan) writes:
>>In article <8911281706.AA06461@ncar.UCAR.EDU> (Terry Maton) writes:
TM: As there are many locations that do not get the '.soc' newsgroups
TM: it would seem appropriate to have this group under the '.rec'
TM: heading.

MS: Is this a good enough reason to make, what looks to me to be, a soc group
MS: a rec group?  This inquiring mind wants to know.

No, this is exactly the wrong reason to put a group in a hierarchy, as has been
pointed out, and has been witnessed recently with the foo.aquaria flamewar

TM:	I feel that the difference between 'rec' & 'soc' is in this case
TM:	very slight due to the nature of the questions and discussions
TM:	and how they originate. ie. most discussions start out from
TM:	things seen on British TV shows.

The discussion may *start* that way, but it does not then include comments on
tv. They are inspired by, but not related to tv shows. The discussion of food,
(coinage, language, schools, etc.) is the type of discussion that belongs in a
soc group. 
[ `>' from here on represents Terry Maton]

>	I would point out that there does not seem to be much point in
>	starting up a new group if a large number of the people who
>	would be interested and who would participate are unable to
>	do so because it is in a section that is not available to them.

I would point out that there does not seem to be much point in starting up a 
new group if a large number of the people who would be interested and who would
participate are unable to do so because their sysadmins have refused to carry
the group because it is clearly in the wrong hierarchy.

>	Maybe the new group should be an immediate sub-group of
>	rec.arts.tv.uk such as 'rec.arts.tv.uk.culture'?

Why not instead call it soc.culture.british? Do you get the soc groups? Do you
know of large numbers of people who would want to participate but who do not
get the soc groups? The group could always be archived and sent to people who
do not get soc groups.

>I do hope we can get something agreed upon to take to a vote!

So do I. I'd also like to see the group. But I think that the support will be
greater if the group is proposed with the right name, in the right hierarchy.

Jen
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