sdroppers%PBS.uucp@uunet.uu.net (Seton R. Droppers) (09/07/89)
I have noticed that when I attempt to add a group of mail messages that have
been extracted from VMS mail that the ADD FILE function of news does not
recognize the the VMS mail headers for the first message that has been extracted
into the file. The sender is marked as "unknown" and the subject is marked as
"<NONE>". We are running news 5.8A. Is this a know problem and are there any
workarounds?
Seton Droppers -- "Anything that I say is my opinion and not my employer's."
Public Broadcasting Service, 1320 Braddock Pl. Alexandria, VA 22314
(UUCP) ...{ida,vrdxhq}!pbs!sdroppers
(VAX/VMS running DECUS UUCP 1.1, ANU News 5.7)SLOANE@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane) (09/07/89)
In article <8909070205.AA07083@vrdxhq.verdix.com>, "Seton R. Droppers" <sdroppers%PBS.uucp@uunet.uu.net> writes: > I have noticed that when I attempt to add a group of mail messages that have > been extracted from VMS mail that the ADD FILE function of news does not > recognize the the VMS mail headers for the first message that has been extracted > into the file. The sender is marked as "unknown" and the subject is marked as > "<NONE>". We are running news 5.8A. Is this a know problem and are there any > workarounds? This is very odd. I receive my main feed via mail, and am having no problem with it. I just use the MAIL EXTRACT command and then the NEWS ADD FILE command and everything works fine. Could you send me a sample mail file that demonstrates the problem, and the DCL that you use to process the mail? +-------------------+-------------------------------------+------------------+ | Bob Sloane \Internet: SLOANE@KUHUB.CC.UKANS.EDU/Anything I said is | | Computer Center \ BITNET: SLOANE@UKANVAX.BITNET / my opinion, not my | | University of Kansas\ AT&T: (913) 864-0444 / employer's. | +-----------------------+-----------------------------+----------------------+
ELSEN@esat.kuleuven.ac.be (Marc Elsen) (09/09/89)
In article <10834@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, SLOANE@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane) writes: > In article <8909070205.AA07083@vrdxhq.verdix.com>, > "Seton R. Droppers" <sdroppers%PBS.uucp@uunet.uu.net> writes: >> I have noticed that when I attempt to add a group of mail messages that have >> been extracted from VMS mail that the ADD FILE function of news does not >> recognize the the VMS mail headers for the first message that has been extracted >> into the file. The sender is marked as "unknown" and the subject is marked as >> "<NONE>". We are running news 5.8A. Is this a know problem and are there any >> workarounds? > > This is very odd. I receive my main feed via mail, and am having no problem > with it. I just use the MAIL EXTRACT command and then the NEWS ADD FILE > command and everything works fine. Could you send me a sample mail file that > demonstrates the problem, and the DCL that you use to process the mail? I can confirm this problem however ! Further more you can see that for the first item extracted the real sender and subject lines appear as normal text within the article when it is brought into NEWS. -- Marc Elsen (System Manager/Software Engineer) Katholieke Universiteit Leuven Dep. E.S.A.T. Kard. Mercierlaan 94 3030 HEVERLEE Belgium tel. 32(0)16220931(ext. 1080) EMAIL : elsen@esat.kuleuven.ac.be ...!kulcs!kulesat!elsen (UUCP) elsen%kulesat.uucp@blekul60 (BITNET) psi%02062166012::elsen (PSI MAIL)
SLOANE@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane) (09/11/89)
In article <1506@esat.kuleuven.ac.be>, ELSEN@esat.kuleuven.ac.be (Marc Elsen) writes: > I can confirm this problem however ! Further more you can see > that for the first item extracted the real sender and subject lines appear > as normal text within the article when it is brought into NEWS. I don't doubt that you are having a problem with this. As I said in my previous posting on this topic, please send me something to duplicate the problem, because I can't duplicate it here, and I use this feature of news for my regular feed about 20 times a day, 7 days a week. It is very difficult to debug something that you can't reproduce!!! -- USmail: Bob Sloane, University of Kansas Computer Center, Lawrence, KS, 66045 E-mail: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, sloane@ukanvax.bitnet, AT&T: (913)864-0444 "The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline luggage." -- Mark Russell
GPWRMDH@gp.govt.nz (Martin D. Hunt) (09/13/89)
In article <8909070205.AA07083@vrdxhq.verdix.com>, sdroppers%PBS.uucp@uunet.uu.net (Seton R. Droppers) writes: > I have noticed that when I attempt to add a group of mail messages that have > been extracted from VMS mail that the ADD FILE function of news does not > recognize the the VMS mail headers for the first message that has been extracted > into the file. The sender is marked as "unknown" and the subject is marked as > "<NONE>". We are running news 5.8A. Is this a know problem and are there any > workarounds? > > Seton Droppers -- "Anything that I say is my opinion and not my employer's." > Public Broadcasting Service, 1320 Braddock Pl. Alexandria, VA 22314 > (UUCP) ...{ida,vrdxhq}!pbs!sdroppers > (VAX/VMS running DECUS UUCP 1.1, ANU News 5.7) Try using EXTRACT/NOHEADER instead of EXTRACT. -- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Martin D. Hunt Government Printing Office Wellington New Zealand USEnet address : MARTINH@GP.GOVT.NZ PSI address : PSI%0530147000028::MARTINH --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
SLOANE@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane) (09/14/89)
In article <302@gp.govt.nz>, GPWRMDH@gp.govt.nz (Martin D. Hunt) writes: > Try using EXTRACT/NOHEADER instead of EXTRACT. Sigh. The NEWS ADD FILE command is designed to process mail files that have been extracted WITH the mail headers. NEWS looks for <FF> <FF> <FF> <FF> <FF> From: Path: NPath: Relay-Version: NRelay-Version: or #!rnews N#!rnews to tell where the current article ends and the next article begins. In addition, it keeps processing headers until a Newsgroup: header is found, eg: <FF> From: someone To: me CC: Subj: something Received: ... Received: ... other mailer headers... #!rnews <???> Path: ... Newsgroups: ... ... would be treated as ONE set of headers, even though there are actually three sets of headers there. See the routine add_file in NEWSADD.C, where it does: while ( scan_header() ); While it might work to use EXTRACT/NOHEADER is some cases, it is probably not a good idea in the general case. Again, I would be glad to look at this problem, but I can't seem to get NEWS to fail adding EXTRACTed files. Could someone send me a file that causes the problem? Preferable a small one. :-) -- USmail: Bob Sloane, University of Kansas Computer Center, Lawrence, KS, 66045 E-mail: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, sloane@ukanvax.bitnet, AT&T: (913)864-0444 "The scientific theory I like best is that the rings of Saturn are composed entirely of lost airline luggage." -- Mark Russell
SDROPPERS@pbs.uucp (Seton R. Droppers) (09/19/89)
In article <10834@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, SLOANE@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane) writes: > In article <8909070205.AA07083@vrdxhq.verdix.com>, > "Seton R. Droppers" <sdroppers%PBS.uucp@uunet.uu.net> writes: >> I have noticed that when I attempt to add a group of mail messages that have >> been extracted from VMS mail that the ADD FILE function of news does not >> recognize the the VMS mail headers for the first message that has been extracted >> into the file. The sender is marked as "unknown" and the subject is marked as >> "<NONE>". We are running news 5.8A. Is this a know problem and are there any >> workarounds? > > This is very odd. I receive my main feed via mail, and am having no problem > with it. I just use the MAIL EXTRACT command and then the NEWS ADD FILE > command and everything works fine. Could you send me a sample mail file that > demonstrates the problem, and the DCL that you use to process the mail? Just a quick followup, I am seeing this straight from mail into news, not using Bob's GATEMAIL program. I will (I hope) be sending Bob some examples of what mail seems to do on my machine. -- Seton Droppers -- "Anything that I say is my opinion and not my employer's." Public Broadcasting Service, 1320 Braddock Pl. Alexandria, VA 22314 (UUCP) ...{ida,vrdxhq}!pbs!sdroppers (VAX/VMS running DECUS UUCP 1.1, ANU News 5.8A)
SDROPPERS@pbs.uucp (Seton R. Droppers) (09/20/89)
In article <2235@pbs.uucp>, SDROPPERS@pbs.uucp (Seton R. Droppers) writes: > In article <10834@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, SLOANE@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (Bob Sloane) writes: >> In article <8909070205.AA07083@vrdxhq.verdix.com>, >> "Seton R. Droppers" <sdroppers%PBS.uucp@uunet.uu.net> writes: >>> I have noticed that when I attempt to add a group of mail messages that have >>> been extracted from VMS mail that the ADD FILE function of news does not > > Just a quick followup, I am seeing this straight from mail into news, not using Additionaly, many of the files that I am trying to add to NEWS after extracting from VMS mail have never been news items before, they are straight VMS Mail notes, often notifications of system events or mail to "POSTMASTER". It is my impression from reading the NEWS ADD FILE documentation that this is one of the expected procedures, can anyone verify this? I have been playing a little bit more on my system and have found that it appears that VMS Mail headers after the first Form Feed character are lost. Additional mail headers (such as those created with an MAIL> EXTRACT/ALL) are seen. If I take and hand manipulate the file to remove the initial Form Feed character then NEWS properly handles the first mail message, messes up the second message (the one following the *new* first form feed) and processes the remaining messages correctly. -- Seton Droppers -- "Anything that I say is my opinion and not my employer's." Public Broadcasting Service, 1320 Braddock Pl. Alexandria, VA 22314 (UUCP) ...{ida,vrdxhq}!pbs!sdroppers (VAX/VMS running DECUS UUCP 1.1, ANU News 5.8A)