spain@mdcbbs.com (01/11/90)
I'm having some problems since I changed the appropriate newsgroups over to moderated. My news feed can no longer post newsitems into the group. I figured that NEWSMANAGER would have the ability to post into a moderated newsgroup. I tried adding NEWSMGR (the username used for NEWSSKIM) in as a member with SUPERVISOR privs but so far no luck. Any ideas out there? :-) -- ============================================================= | Harrison M. Spain III | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | McDonnell Douglas M&E | Internet: spain@mdcbbs.com | | 5701 Katella Ave. | UUCP: uunet!mdcbbs!spain | | Cypress, CA 90630 | PSI: PSI%31060099980019::SPAIN | =============================================================
sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (01/13/90)
In article <645.25ac4b0d@mdcbbs.com>, spain@mdcbbs.com writes: > I'm having some problems since I changed the appropriate newsgroups over to > moderated. My news feed can no longer post newsitems into the group. > > I figured that NEWSMANAGER would have the ability to post into a moderated > newsgroup. I tried adding NEWSMGR (the username used for NEWSSKIM) in as a > member with SUPERVISOR privs but so far no luck. Please, folks, when you are having a problem, please try to include as much information about the problem as you can. In this case, I need to know what version of NEWS you are running, what the specific error message is when the articles are rejected, and how your news feed is handled (NNTP or MAIL). A sample article that was rejected along with a log of the NEWS run that rejected it would be helpful. -- USmail: Bob Sloane, University of Kansas Computer Center, Lawrence, KS, 66045 E-mail: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, sloane@ukanvax.bitnet, AT&T: (913)864-0444
spain@mdcbbs.com (01/13/90)
In article <21142.25adb72d@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu>, sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu writes: > > Please, folks, when you are having a problem, please try to include as > much information about the problem as you can. In this case, I need > to know what version of NEWS you are running, what the specific error > message is when the articles are rejected, and how your news feed is > handled (NNTP or MAIL). A sample article that was rejected along with > a log of the NEWS run that rejected it would be helpful. I suspect that I'm not the only one with this problem so I'll post the information I just sent to Mark Pizzolato and summarize to the net when this is resolved (even if it is embarrassing) :-): Here is a portion of the file I used to create newsgroups and then set them moderated: $ set noon $ news /noscreen create newsgroup comp.sources.misc /cache/itemhold=14/hold=* y set newsgroup comp.sources.misc /moder=comp-sources-misc@uunet.uu.net set newsgroup comp.sources.misc /title="Moderated newsgroup - Posting of software" exit $ exit Here is a SHOW NEWSGROUP: NEWS> show newsgroup comp.sources.misc comp.sources.misc - Prot:RWX, Hold:(Itm:14,Grp:Perm), #: 13, Mod-Address:comp-sources-misc@uunet.uu.net Show Entry: Newsgroup comp.sources.misc Newsgroup: comp.sources.misc Title: Posting of software. (Moderated) Prot:RWX Created: 9-Jan-90 Retention: Permanent Note-Retention: 14 days Count: 13 Moderator: Mail to - comp-sources-misc@uunet.uu.net Moderator-Approval: Required Status: Network Distributed Newsgroup Access-File: Membership list follows Member: newsmgr MODERATE WRITE Newsgroup is entered in the following Classes: $net NEWS> Here is a log file that show the newsitems being rejected: NEWS_RNEWS starting at 12-JAN-1990 05:58:42.65, infile DUB0:[UUCP.RCVDNEWS]NEWS_BATCH.UUNET_S_BH_R2; File is compressed, decompressing. VMS News - V5.9 (09-Jul-1989) [NewsManager Access Enabled] Add - Reading file: DUB0:[UUCP.NEWS_MGR]NEWS.BATCH000055B0;1 Add <22063@adm.BRL.MIL> comp.unix.wizards: JUNK (Non-Approved posting to Moderated Newsgroup) Add <22063@adm.brl.mil> junk Add <4520@convex.UUCP> comp.windows.x: JUNK (No local Newsgroup match) Add <13050.25aa3912@max.u.washington.edu> rec.arts.tv.soaps: JUNK (No local Newsgroup match) Add <1690010@teecs.UUCP> comp.sys.hp Add <10623@stag.math.lsa.umich.edu> comp.archives Add <5660@holston.UUCP> comp.sys.ibm.pc Add <21750@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> rec.arts.tv Add <5661@holston.UUCP> news.groups Add <12074@nis.mn.org> rec.arts.startrek Add <18116@umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU> comp.sys.mac.programmer,comp.sys.mac Add <14064@pwcs.UUCP> rec.arts.tv.soaps: JUNK (No local Newsgroup match) Add <10624@stag.math.lsa.umich.edu> comp.archives Add <1610@meccsd.MECC.MN.ORG> rec.humor Add <21751@uflorida.cis.ufl.EDU> rec.arts.tv Add <10400003@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu> comp.dcom.lans Add <Added.sZfE30G00UkT4UP09D@andrew.cmu.edu> comp.sys.dec.micro: JUNK (No local Newsgroup match) Add <6@bootsie.UUCP> comp.sys.mac.programmer Add <6619@wpi.wpi.edu> rec.humor Add <7@bootsie.UUCP> comp.sys.mac.programmer Add <10500016@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu> comp.dcom.modems: JUNK (No local Newsgroup match) Add <1990Jan11.040733.405@waikato.ac.nz> news.newusers.questions: JUNK (No local Newsgroup match) Add <9001120018.AA21940@foobar.Colorado.EDU> comp.windows.x: JUNK (No local Newsgroup match) Add <1552@lakesys.lakesys.com> misc.forsale,comp.sys.apple: JUNK (No local Newsgroup match) Add <14960308@acf4.NYU.EDU> comp.os.vms Add <10500017@osiris.cso.uiuc.edu> comp.dcom.modems: JUNK (No local Newsgroup match) Add <JIL.90Jan11170459@basselope.mitre.org> comp.object Add <2564@jato.Jpl.Nasa.Gov> rec.arts.movies Add <955@excelan.COM> comp.sys.ibm.pc Add <14286@jumbo.dec.com> comp.windows.news: JUNK (No local Newsgroup match) NEWSMGR job terminated at 12-JAN-1990 06:01:23.01 Accounting information: Buffered I/O count: 936 Peak working set size: 1237 Direct I/O count: 2528 Peak page file size: 5341 Page faults: 1790 Mounted volumes: 0 Charged CPU time: 0 00:00:28.89 Elapsed time: 0 00:02:41.59 Here is my MAILPATHS file: # MAILPATHS 3-Nov-1988 # # edited for simpact by jeh, 01-apr-1989 # # VMS NEWS uses the mailpaths file to determine the address of the moderator # in the case of locally originated postings to a moderated newsgroup. # # The following is an extract of a posting describing the Usenet News 2.11 # mailpaths file. I have annotated the posting to outline the differences # between this description and VMS NEWS V6.0 #++ #NOTE: Annotations are delimited by the #++ and #-- comment lines. #-- #----------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Path: fac3!anucsd!csadfa!neumann!munnari!uunet!husc6!purdue!spaf # From: spaf@cs.purdue.EDU (Gene Spafford) # Newsgroups: news.lists,news.admin # Subject: How to Construct the Mailpaths File (Updated: 15 January 1988) # Message-ID: <2957@arthur.cs.purdue.edu> # Date: 16 Jan 88 06:34:31 GMT # Expires: 6 Feb 88 06:34:31 GMT # Organization: Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue Univ. # Lines: 135 # Approved: spaf@cs.purdue.EDU # Xref: fac3 news.lists:95 news.admin:409 # Supersedes: <2806@arthur.cs.purdue.edu> # # Original-from: Gene Spafford (spaf@cs.purdue.edu) # [Most recent change: 15 January 1988 by spaf@cs.purdue.edu (Gene Spafford)] # # News 2.11 has been designed to make it simpler to submit articles to # moderated newsgroups and to reply via mail to posted articles. For # these functions to work, the file "mailpaths" must exist in the news # library and contain current information. This file describes the # syntax of the contents of the file and how to construct it for your site. # #++ # NOTE: VMS NEWS does NOT use the mailpaths file for mailing articles - the # mailpaths file is only used to determine the address of a newsgroup moderator. #-- # # Syntax # ------ # All lines in the file consist of a keyword followed by whitespace, # followed by a printf-style format string which is used to encode a mail # address. The format string should be constructed so that there is a # single "%s" in the field, and other information necessary to construct # a valid address to the appropriate site (see below). # # The keyword field consists of either the word "internet", the word # "backbone", or some newsgroup pattern. # #++ # The keyword "internet" is not used by VMS NEWS #-- # # These are examined by the # software to determine which format-string to use. Note that the first # appropriate line matched is the one used -- thus, the "backbone" # keyword line should be placed last in the file if regional or local # moderated groups are supported. # # Submissions to moderated groups # ------------------------------- # When you attempt to post to a moderated newsgroup # the action of news is to mail the submission to the moderator. # This is done by searching through "mailpaths" file for a keyword # matching the newgroup being posted to, or, by default, the keyword # "backbone". Matching occurs as in the "sys" file -- thus, # for example, "news" or "news.all" will match articles posted # in the "news" category. This feature can be used to support local # moderated groups. # # Once a line has been matched, the name of the moderated group is # transformed into an address. This is done by first turning all the # imbedded periods within the newsgroup name into hyphens (e.g., # "news.lists" becomes "news-lists") because many mailers mishandle # addresses with periods in the username (periods are supposed to be # delimiters only in the host/domain part of RFC822 addresses, but some # mailers "overreact"). Next, the transformed group name is encoded into # an address using the format-string present on the line matched from # "mailpaths" and the article is mailed. Thus, a posting to "news.lists" # from a site with the line # backbone emory!gatech!%s # in the mailpaths file would have the article mailed to # "emory!gatech!news-lists". Likewise, a line like # backbone %s@gatech.edu # would result in the article being mailed to "news-lists@gatech.edu". # To make the mechanism for moderated postings simpler, a subset of the # backbone sites (plus some others) have committed to keeping a complete # up-to-date set of mail aliases for the moderated groups. Therefore, to # build this line in your "mailpaths" file, you need only construct # an address to get the mail to one of these sites. In turn, once the # submission reaches that site, it will be forwarded on to the # appropriate moderator's mailbox. # # The sites currently maintaining these lists are given in the following # list. Pick the one that is "closest" to your site and use it in your # "backbone" format string: # # ames (ames.arc.nasa.gov) # clyde (clyde.att.com) # codas (codas.att.com) # decuac (decuac.dec.com) # decwrl (decwrl.dec.com) # gatech (gatech.edu) # hao (hao.ucar.edu) # husc6 (husc6.harvard.edu) # kddlab (kddlab.kddlabs.jp) # killer # linus # mcnc (mcnc.org) # mit-eddie (eddie.mit.edu) # rutgers (rutgers.edu) # sdcsvax (sdcsvax.ucsd.edu) # tektronix (tektronix.tek.com) # ucbvax (ucbvax.berkeley.edu) # uunet (uunet.uu.net) # uw-beaver (beaver.cs.washington.edu) # watmath (math.waterloo.edu) # # #Gene Spafford #Dept. of Computer Sciences, Purdue University, W. Lafayette IN 47907-2004 #Internet: spaf@cs.purdue.edu uucp: ...!{decwrl,gatech,ucbvax}!purdue!spaf #------------------------------------------------------------------------------ # # note that this is NOT used for non-moderated lists that are merely gatewayed # into News, e.g. info-vax/comp.os.vms and (soon) vmsnet%falcon/vmsnet.misc . # --- jeh # comp.laser-printers laser-printers@uunet.uu.net comp.laser-printer laser-printer@uunet.uu.net rec.humor.funny funny@looking.on.ca rec.ham-radio.packet packet-radio@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil rec.ham-radio info-hams@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil rec.arts.sf-lovers sf-lovers@rutgers.edu comp.unix.wizards unix-wizards@brl.arpa comp.unix.questions info-unix@brl.arpa comp.sys.sun sun-spots@rice.edu comp.sys.misc info-micro@wsmr-simtel20.army.mil comp.sources.unix unix-sources@brl.arpa comp.sources.misc unix-sources@brl.arpa comp.protocols.nfs nfs@tmc.edu comp.lang.c info-c@brl.arpa comp.emacs unix-emacs@bbn.com news.announce.newusers announce@stargate.com vmsnet.announce.newusers vmsnet-announce-newusers@mccall.uucp vmsnet.announce vmsnet-announce@mccall.uucp news.lists news.announce.newusers news.announce.important news.announce.conferences comp.mail.maps news.lists news.announce.newusers news.announce.important news.announce.conferences comp.mail.maps news.lists news.announce.newusers news.announce.important news.announce.conferences comp.mail.maps backbone %s@uunet.uu.net --- I don't think anyone (local) has tried to post to a moderated newsgroup yet. If they do, the newsitem is supposed to automatically mail to the moderator which is what I was trying to setup properly :-). --- ============================================================= | Harrison M. Spain III | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | McDonnell Douglas M&E | Internet: spain@mdcbbs.com | | 5701 Katella Ave. | UUCP: uunet!mdcbbs!spain | | Cypress, CA 90630 | PSI: PSI%31060099980019::SPAIN | =============================================================
gih900@UUNET.UU.NET (Geoff Huston) (01/16/90)
>I'm having some problems since I changed the appropriate newsgroups over to >moderated. My news feed can no longer post newsitems into the group. > >I figured that NEWSMANAGER would have the ability to post into a moderated >newsgroup. I tried adding NEWSMGR (the username used for NEWSSKIM) in as a >member with SUPERVISOR privs but so far no luck. There are two possible situations you are referring to: a) the newsgroup is moderated, and the incoming feed cannot be added into that newsgroup. This is somewhat unusual, unless you are unique in think that the particular newsgroup is moderated, as NEWS will, by default, be expecting an Approved: header on all incoming news items posted into moderated newsgroups. The compile-time constant is: UNAPPROVED_NEWS the values this can be defined to be (in NEWSSITE.H) are: DISCARD the default - if not approved then throw it away ACCEPT accept it anyway (not very smart as the sites which the local node is feeding may themselvesd discard it as the posting is not the real thing without the Approved: header MAIL_TO_MODERATOR As it is not approved, then the moderator should in theory approve it - so mail the item to the moderator instead of accepting. This is about the worst option- the responsibility of mailing to a newsgroup moderator is that of the original posting agent - other sites who mail off to the moderator are the cause of junk mail. b) you are the moderator of the newsgroup in question, and you are attempting to use the ADD command to post Approved: items into NEWS for distribution, in which case the command ADD FILE/MODERATE is intended to do the job. cheers, Geoff Huston
gih900@UUNET.UU.NET (Geoff Huston) (01/16/90)
>I'm having some problems since I changed the appropriate newsgroups over to >moderated. My news feed can no longer post newsitems into the group. > >I figured that NEWSMANAGER would have the ability to post into a moderated >newsgroup. I tried adding NEWSMGR (the username used for NEWSSKIM) in as a >member with SUPERVISOR privs but so far no luck. There are two possible situations you are referring to: a) the newsgroup is moderated, and the incoming feed cannot be added into that newsgroup. This is somewhat unusual, unless you are unique in think that the particular newsgroup is moderated, as NEWS will, by default, be expecting an Approved: header on all incoming news items posted into moderated newsgroups. The compile-time constant is: UNAPPROVED_NEWS the values this can be defined to be (in NEWSSITE.H) are: DISCARD the default - if not approved then throw it away ACCEPT accept it anyway (not very smart as the sites which the local node is feeding may themselvesd discard it as the posting is not the real thing without the Approved: header MAIL_TO_MODERATOR As it is not approved, then the moderator should in theory approve it - so mail the item to the moderator instead of accepting. This is about the worst option- the responsibility of mailing to a newsgroup moderator is that of the original posting agent - other sites who mail off to the moderator are the cause of junk mail. b) you are the moderator of the newsgroup in question, and you are attempting to use the ADD command to post Approved: items into NEWS for distribution, in which case the command ADD FILE/MODERATE is intended to do the job. cheers, Geoff Huston (Postmaster:- This mail may have been duplicated at "murtoa.cs.mu.oz" due to link problems.)
spain@mdcbbs.com (01/16/90)
>>I'm having some problems since I changed the appropriate newsgroups over to >>moderated. My news feed can no longer post newsitems into the group. The problem is none of these newsitems have an Approved line. I am trying to figure out why these newsitems are making it to me without this :-). -- ============================================================= | Harrison M. Spain III | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | McDonnell Douglas M&E | Internet: spain@mdcbbs.com | | 5701 Katella Ave. | UUCP: uunet!mdcbbs!spain | | Cypress, CA 90630 | PSI: PSI%31060099980019::SPAIN | =============================================================
SAURON@kontu.utu.fi (01/17/90)
In article <653.25b2e629@mdcbbs.com>, spain@mdcbbs.com writes: >>>I'm having some problems since I changed the appropriate newsgroups over to >>>moderated. My news feed can no longer post newsitems into the group. > > The problem is none of these newsitems have an Approved line. I am trying to > figure out why these newsitems are making it to me without this :-). > Somehow I have had THE SAME problem, it occurs with moderated newsgroups, just like the software would not recognize the approved line at all?? Though I'm very new with NEWS and therefore looking for the error in my configuration files...? -- Juhani Soini, the Sauron of Mordor ! Dept. of Physical Sciences sauron@mordor.utu.fi ! University of Turku, Finland soini@utu.fi ! soini@firien.bitnet ! phone: +358-21-633 5866
gih900@UUNET.UU.NET (Geoff Huston) (01/18/90)
>I suspect that I'm not the only one with this problem so I'll post the >information I just sent to Mark Pizzolato and summarize to the net when this is >resolved (even if it is embarrassing) :-): > >Here is a portion of the file I used to create newsgroups and then set them >moderated: > >$ set noon >$ news /noscreen >create newsgroup comp.sources.misc /cache/itemhold=14/hold=* >y >set newsgroup comp.sources.misc /moder=comp-sources-misc@uunet.uu.net >set newsgroup comp.sources.misc /title="Moderated newsgroup - Posting of softwar >e" >exit >$ exit > ok so comp.sources.misc is moderated - no problem. >Here is a log file that show the newsitems being rejected: the only one which is rejected as being a posting to a moderated newsgroup is the line:... >Add <22063@adm.BRL.MIL> comp.unix.wizards: JUNK (Non-Approved posting to Moderated Newsgroup) BUT on the checkgroups messages that I receive comp.unix.wizards is NOT a moderated newsgroup - setting it as moderated locally, which you evidently have done, will cause the rejections you have noted here, as NONE of the postings into comp.unix.wizards require to have an Approved: header line. >I don't think anyone (local) has tried to post to a moderated newsgroup yet. >If they do, the newsitem is supposed to automatically mail to the moderator >which is what I was trying to setup properly :-). The log file you have included is not relevant to local postings.. I would check that local postings into moderated newsgroups do get sent to the moderator (set up a local moderated newsgroup, and test it locally). If the posting fails, then the most probable problem is a configuration error in local settings of the NEWS_MANAGER:NEWS_ADDRESS.CNF file. cheers, Geoff Huston
sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (01/18/90)
In article <33667.25b3b7da@kontu.utu.fi>, SAURON@kontu.utu.fi writes: > In article <653.25b2e629@mdcbbs.com>, spain@mdcbbs.com writes: >>>>I'm having some problems since I changed the appropriate newsgroups over to >>>>moderated. My news feed can no longer post newsitems into the group. >> >> The problem is none of these newsitems have an Approved line. I am trying to >> figure out why these newsitems are making it to me without this :-). >> > Somehow I have had THE SAME problem, it occurs with moderated newsgroups, > just like the software would not recognize the approved line at all?? > Though I'm very new with NEWS and therefore looking for the error in > my configuration files...? The most probable cause for something is that you have a group set as moderated when it is not actually a moderated group. You should get a copy of the monthly (sort of) checkgroups posting and run it through NEWS to make sure you are current. It is posted to news.admin by Gene Spafford. -- USmail: Bob Sloane, University of Kansas Computer Center, Lawrence, KS, 66045 E-mail: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, sloane@ukanvax.bitnet, AT&T: (913)864-0444
spain@mdcbbs.com (01/21/90)
> The most probable cause for something is that you have a group set as > moderated when it is not actually a moderated group. You should get a > copy of the monthly (sort of) checkgroups posting and run it through > NEWS to make sure you are current. It is posted to news.admin by Gene > Spafford. This is good advice! I sent mail to Gene (net.god) Spafford :-) asking for the "official" list. Gene gave me the list and pointed me to NEWS.GROUPS which has this information posted periodically. I gave up on NEWS.GROUPS a while back due to the noise but apparently some of that "noise" is *very* important! I made sure to SET NEWSGROUP * /NOMODER and then CAREFULLY set each moderated newsgroup properly. Things are starting to settle down. If I get a reject to any of my moderated newsgroup (I check the RNEWS log files regularly now), I will trace back the newsitem to the orginator. -- ============================================================= | Harrison M. Spain III | Voice: (714) 952-6114 | | McDonnell Douglas M&E | Internet: spain@mdcbbs.com | | 5701 Katella Ave. | UUCP: uunet!mdcbbs!spain | | Cypress, CA 90630 | PSI: PSI%31060099980019::SPAIN | =============================================================
sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu (01/23/90)
In article <664.25b89cd2@mdcbbs.com>, spain@mdcbbs.com writes: > This is good advice! I sent mail to Gene (net.god) Spafford :-) asking for the > "official" list. Gene gave me the list and pointed me to NEWS.GROUPS which has > this information posted periodically. I gave up on NEWS.GROUPS a while back > due to the noise but apparently some of that "noise" is *very* important! Try reading news.admin instead. I think the "monthly" checkgroups are cross posted there, too. > I made sure to SET NEWSGROUP * /NOMODER and then CAREFULLY set each moderated > newsgroup properly. Things are starting to settle down. If I get a reject to > any of my moderated newsgroup (I check the RNEWS log files regularly now), I > will trace back the newsitem to the orginator. Actually, news should be able to process the checkgroups message automatically. Just delete everything before and after the ===cut_here=== lines and do an ADD FILE command on the result. MAKE SURE YOU KEEP THE DISTRIBUTION LOCAL, or you will probably be flamed to death. :-) NEWS should make a command procedure containing the appropiate NEWS commands to update your local NEWS database to match whatever the checkgroups says is current. You should probably check the command procedure by hand, but that should still be faster than doing the moderation by hand. -- USmail: Bob Sloane, University of Kansas Computer Center, Lawrence, KS, 66045 E-mail: sloane@kuhub.cc.ukans.edu, sloane@ukanvax.bitnet, AT&T: (913)864-0444