[news.software.anu-news] notation "-- Title not obtained --"

DAVIDLI@SIMVAX.BITNET (David Paschall-Zimbel) (02/07/90)

Well, ANU News 5.9c finally got done updating, with 18360 blocks for the
NEWS.ITEMS file and 111 blocks for NEWS.GROUPS.  Most everything seems to
work, but I am puzzled by multiple "-- Title not obtained --" messages where
subject lines usually are located.  None of these messages can be reached from
the UNIX server, and I checked several of them again 'rn' on the UNIX machine
to see whether they didn't have titles.  Is this an artifact I'll have to
live with?  Or is something still not quite "right" about the whole setup?
     
-- David Paschall-Zimbel

gih900@CSC1.ANU.OZ.AU (Geoff Huston) (02/08/90)

>Well, ANU News 5.9c finally got done updating, with 18360 blocks for the
>NEWS.ITEMS file and 111 blocks for NEWS.GROUPS.  Most everything seems to
>work, but I am puzzled by multiple "-- Title not obtained --" messages where
>subject lines usually are located.  None of these messages can be reached from
>the UNIX server, and I checked several of them again 'rn' on the UNIX machine
>to see whether they didn't have titles.  Is this an artifact I'll have to
>live with?  Or is something still not quite "right" about the whole setup?
     
This is caused by probably a link which is not totally reliable.
     
NEWS firstly checks the remote server using a NEWNEWS command to pull over the
identifiers of all items on the remote system. It then collects these
identifiers and adds them to the local database with a "title not obtained"
subject line.
     
It then consults the server in a second pass and using the XHDR command (or
HEAD if XHDR is not supported) to get the subject line, etc.
     
Even if this breaks, the first user who actually collects the item (a read)
should cause the entry to be updated with the correct information.
     
I will relook at the code and see if there are outstanding problems.
     
Geoff

toivo@uniwa.uwa.oz (Toivo Pedaste) (02/08/90)

I recently tried remotely serving a newsgroup from a Ultrix host using
DECNET and most of the subjects ended up as "-- Title not obtained --"".
When I tried to access these articles some of them were inaccessible
but others were displayed and the subject was then set correctly in 
the directory. The Ultrix system is running the latest version of nntp
thas available on munnari. The connection between the systems is via
ethernet. Any suggestions.

Also, is there a version of anu-news available that uses DEC TCP/IP.


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	Toivo Pedaste				ACSNET: toivo@uniwa.uwa.oz

gih900@CSC1.ANU.OZ.AU (Geoff Huston) (02/10/90)

Replying to Western Australia from the East cost of Asutralia via North Dakota
may not make much sense..... but here's the response...
     
     
>I recently tried remotely serving a newsgroup from a Ultrix host using
>DECNET and most of the subjects ended up as "-- Title not obtained --"".
>When I tried to access these articles some of them were inaccessible
>but others were displayed and the subject was then set correctly in
>the directory. The Ultrix system is running the latest version of nntp
>thas available on munnari. The connection between the systems is via
>ethernet. Any suggestions.
     
The implementation of NNTP using DECnet on Ultrix has some funnies going on in
the Ultrix side, and the VMS side QIO's need to use the MULTIPLE modifier in
order to correctly sync with the Ultrix side.
     
Leonard Peirce is working on this code, and has promised to send the updates to
me when they are complete.
     
>Also, is there a version of anu-news available that uses DEC TCP/IP.
     
I have an old copy of the QIO calls for the DEC product, but they are probably
out of date, and as I don't have access to the product itself at the moment,
I have not done any work on it.
     
     
Geoff