jfh@rpp386.cactus.org (John F. Haugh II) (10/12/90)
In article <199@netsys.NETSYS.COM> niu.bitnet!TK0JUT2@netsys.NETSYS.COM writes: >I am told that, for whatever reasons, Mr. Hough may retract his statement. If >so, let's put this unfortunate episode behind us and use it as a lesson, ... Please, let me speak for myself - you have a hard enough time just spelling my name correctly ;-) I hope that this article clears up some of the misunderstandings which may have arisen as a result of that original article. I have asked someone closer to this situation to provide me with some additional information regarding this case, and at that time will decide what form any retraction or correction will take. I have cancelled that article some time ago because there may have been inaccurate information contained in it, even though I believed that information to be accurate at the time. I would like to say that the information which I alluded to will be given to the Secret Service. This does not mean that the information is true or false or that Len Rose is guilty or innocent of anything. I am simply going to give the Secret Service the information on which I based my statement. It is up to them to investigate the information and to determine Len's guilt or innocence. I will not comment any further regarding the persons or events mentioned in that posting. Also, I would like to say that it is up to each and every individual to determine the extent to which they wish to trust Len. Since I have been injured by Operation Sun Devil I do not have a very objective opinion concerning Len Rose or any of the other defendants. This is unfortunate for them, but again, it merely reflects my personal understanding of the facts surrounding this case, not any absolute statement of truth. That I do not personally trust Len Rose is my perogative and should not be construed to be a statement of guilt or innocence or of Len's general trustworthyness. Finally, that people who were associated with Len Rose have been investigated by the Secret Service should not be taken to be a statement of their guilt or innocence, nor should it be taken to be a statement that associating with Len Rose will subject you to government investigation with any degree of certainty. It is a statement of the historical behavior of the Secret Service as evidenced by the number of friends and associates of Len who have been investigated. Note also that merely being investigated does not imply ones guilt or innocence. In closing, a large number of people have been injured during Operation Sun Devil, and a good number of those people are most certainly innocent and do not deserve to have their reputations or honor further tarnished. No doubt the government will continue its investigation with the same wrecklessness which we have seen to date, and no doubt there will be more innocent bystanders swept along as they go. I do believe that everyone is innocent until proven guilty, but as I said at the beginning, my involvement with persons associated with Operation Sun Devil has made me less than objective and perhaps overly cautious. Prior to Operation Sun Devil I considered Len to be a reasonably friendly individual who was of some value to the community as a whole. I hope that justice is served in this case, whatever the outcome may be, and that the innocent people are able to regain their reputations and put the entire mess behind them. Thank you for your time and I hope you will understand that I may not be able to comment further on any issues which you may wish to raise. -- John F. Haugh II UUCP: ...!cs.utexas.edu!rpp386!jfh Ma Bell: (512) 832-8832 Domain: jfh@rpp386.cactus.org "SCCS, the source motel! Programs check in and never check out!" -- Ken Thompson
wb8foz@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (David Lesher) (10/16/90)
Thus far, I've avoided making any comments about things in any way related to the topics being bandied about. But I am so disturbed by John F. Haugh II's statement that I felt I must say something. Please note I'm not upset or surprised about the attacks / denials / counterclaims, etc. Not that they are trivial matters (exactly the opposite) but they seem to be almost commonplace in this era. No, what disturbs me is Mr. Haugh's statement: >I am simply going to give the Secret Service the information on which >I based my statement. It is up to them to investigate the information >and to determine Len's guilt or innocence. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ In case Mr. Haugh has not noticed, there is something called the Constitution, and its amendments. Because of it, Mr. Rose is innocent unless and until found guilty in a trial, by a JURY OF HIS PEERS. This is true no matter what he (or anyone of us) is ACCUSED of, be it: attempted illegal parking, xenophobia, inciting to riot, jaywalking, booing a TV wrestler, or you name it. ANYTHING! For Mr. Haugh to make such a statement as the above displays either such ignorance of the concepts of the United States as to horrify me, or such disrespect for them as to make me wonder how he feels about our system in general. Perhaps he would be happier elsewhere, in places where such bothersome concepts do not impede things. BTW, I visit, as part of my work, lots of places where the above protections do not exist. I like the country I live in a lot better, despite its flaws, after seeing them. -- A host is a host from coast to coast.....wb8foz@mthvax.cs.miami.edu & no one will talk to a host that's close............(305) 255-RTFM Unless the host (that isn't close)......................pob 570-335 is busy, hung or dead....................................33257-0335