Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (08/01/89)
Really-From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu <hsu@uicsrd.csrd.uiuc.edu> Drukman: >Love-Hounds was a bit too wimpy for their high-octane vitriol. Me: >Oh bullkaka, Drukman. Vitriol was only a part of the whole mess. >Hofmann and Wicinski (and many of the original gaffa-ites) left >because of the Trowbridge affair and people screaming to other >people's bosses, and you were fully aware of the sordid little >details. Drukman: >Yeah, I was fully aware. You presumably weren't, as you missed the >incredibly exciting pun in my message. It's there, if you remember >the quote that was largely responsible for getting them axed. Once again bullkaka, Drukman. Hof and Wic continued posting in love-hounds for quite a while after the infamous quote (slightly inaccurate version available on request). The whole mess blew up in a completely different Usenet newsgroup, as a result of a later Trowbridge posting (in that newsgroup) which mentioned the verbal abuse she experienced in love-hounds. Love-hounds in its early days was never too wimpy for anything (thanks Doug). After the Trowbridge affair, most of the more interesting posters left voluntarily to form the late great Anti-Aesthetic mailing list. AA had the highest signal-to-noise ratio of any newsgroup or mailing list that I've read, despite the fact that you can be as offensive as you want. Nobody complained, as long as you did it with *style*. Bill
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (08/02/89)
Really-From: jsd@gaffa.mit.edu (Jon Drukman) Yeah yeah, you're completely right. Love-Hounds used to be the bastion of crazyness and insanity, and now it's just too darn safe. So, do us both a favor and DON'T READ IT! The circumstances of wic and hof's demise are an important lesson in censorship, but also in the value of basic human relations, ie: knowing how far you can push people before they lose their sense of humor and turn into complete assholes. I have been reminiscing through the love-hounds archives in detail of late, and have concluded that the old days are gone and will never return. They had their bright spots, but who's to say that there won't be more in the future. I for one am on pins and needles to see the new Kate album, precisely because it should definitely inject some life into this list. On a different note to anyone miraculously still reading, I hope you all had a great Katemas and it was very nice getting to talk with Tracy and IED out there in Santa Cruz. +---------------------- Is there any ESCAPE from NOISE? --------------------+ | | |\ | jsd@gaffa.mit.edu | "I think quotes are very dangerous | | \|on |/rukman | jsd@umass.bitnet | things." -- Kate Bush | +---------------------------------------------------------------------------+
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (08/03/89)
Really-From: William Tsun-Yuk Hsu <hsu@uicsrd.csrd.uiuc.edu> Really-From: jsd@gaffa.mit.edu (Jon Drukman) > >Love-Hounds used to be the >bastion of crazyness and insanity, and now it's just too darn safe. >So, do us both a favor and DON'T READ IT! I don't. But who's going to keep you honest? :-) More interesting female vocalists for Kate Bush fans: check out Iva Bittova, neat Czech vocalist who can whoop and scream and warble with the best. She plays a mean violin too (and sings at the same time). Svatba, her first album with Pawel Fajt, was one of my favorites of '88 (out on Recommended, available from Wayside), with lots of neat East European folk music stylings. Her new lp Dunaj is much more straightforward and rock-like. She doesn't sing in English, in case that's important to you. Bill