abj@IDA.LiU.SE (Andreas Bjorklind) (11/17/89)
I have a decision problem: in my local used records shop I can buy a KaTe-bootleg. This is not the problem... that I'm a complete novice to bootlegs is, though! The bootleg is Rock Solid Records (?) double LP "Kate Bush Live in Bristol 1979" (with a beautiful figure-cut sleeve). The record- man wants $31.00 for it. My question: is this a fair price for this bootleg? Looking forward to YOUR advice! -- ---------------------------------------------------------------- | Andreas Bjorklind | Science Fiction is Science Fiction,| | abj@ida.liu.se | Fantasy is Main Stream... | ----------------------------------------------------------------
abj@IDA.LiU.SE (Andreas Bjorklind) (11/17/89)
I need advice on buying (or not buying) a KaTe bootleg I found in the local used records shop. The bootleg is Rock Stolid Records (?) "Kate Bush Live in Bristol 1979", with a very beautiful figure-cut sleeve (and in a very good condition). The owner wants $31.00 (thirtyone) for it. My question: is it a good price, or is it a way to ruin love- hounds? Advice, anyone...? andreas ---------------------------------------------------------------- | Andreas Bjorklind | Science Fiction is Science Fiction,| | abj@ida.liu.se | Fantasy is Main Stream... | ----------------------------------------------------------------
wlp%sdcsvax@calmasd.Prime.COM (Walter Peterson) (11/18/89)
In article <ANDBJ.89Nov17085058@majestix.IDA.LiU.SE>, abj@IDA.LiU.SE (Andreas Bjorklind) writes: > > > I have a decision problem: in my local used records shop I can buy > a KaTe-bootleg. This is not the problem... that I'm a complete novice > to bootlegs is, though! > The bootleg is Rock Solid Records (?) double LP "Kate Bush > Live in Bristol 1979" (with a beautiful figure-cut sleeve). The record- > man wants $31.00 for it. > My question: is this a fair price for this bootleg? > > Looking forward to YOUR advice! > IMHO the one and only "fair" price for a bootleg recording ( or book, etc. ) is $0.00; in other words *DON'T BUY IT*. Think for a moment. Do you really like Kate ? Do you really admire her talent ? Do her songs speak to something inside you ? Then why do you want to cheat her ? I have heard all of the rationalizations for bootlegs; "most of the money for legitimate copies goes to middlemen", "the ones really getting rich are the record company ( publisher ) execs and owners", and so on. Well, when you buy a bootleg copy, the "suits" don't get their pound of flesh ( unless they are also getting a piece-of-the-action from the bootleggers ), but the artist also gets NOTHING. I realize that most people's funds for records are limited and CDs are grossly over-priced, but that is no excuse. Artists in all media are cheated enough by the "system", lets not make it worse by buying bootleg copies of works by artist whom we claim to admire. -- "Exploring the consensual hallucination of cyberspace." Walt Peterson. wlp@calmasd.Prime.COM "The opinions expressed here are my own."
robinson@islnds.DEC.COM (11/18/89)
-Message-Text-Follows- In article <725@calmasd.Prime.COM>, wlp%sdcsvax@calmasd.Prime.COM (Walter Peterson) writes... > >IMHO the one and only "fair" price for a bootleg recording ( or book, >etc. ) is $0.00; in other words *DON'T BUY IT*. Think for a moment. >Do you really like Kate ? Do you really admire her talent ? Do her >songs speak to something inside you ? Then why do you want to cheat >her ? > > [other highly didactic raving removed] Please - the request was for information - not a sermon - if you don't have the information to give ... will decwrl!islnds.dec.com!robinson 'they are stupid like I told ya they are stupid like ya saw they are stupid for the simple fact of ever thinking at all'
wombat@claris.UUCP (Scott Lindsey) (11/19/89)
In article <ANDBJ.89Nov17085058@majestix.IDA.LiU.SE> abj@IDA.LiU.SE (Andreas Bjorklind) writes: > I have a decision problem: in my local used records shop I can buy > a KaTe-bootleg. This is not the problem... that I'm a complete novice > to bootlegs is, though! > The bootleg is Rock Solid Records (?) double LP "Kate Bush > Live in Bristol 1979" (with a beautiful figure-cut sleeve). The record- > man wants $31.00 for it. > My question: is this a fair price for this bootleg? I will not go into the ethics and legality of bootlegs. That has been debated far and wide... even onto this list/newsgroup. All things considered, yes it's a fair price. Here's what you should consider. Bootlegs typically run about $10-15 per disc, "new." If what you're looking at is used, it may be condsiderably less than a bargain. Bootlegs are typically pressed on 3rd rate vinyl, so they tend to wear quickly... add that to the generally abysmal signal quality and you end up with something unlistenable, regardless of your dediKaTion. One other factor here is one unknown to me. I don't know how available this particular record is. After a pressing of bootlegs is sold, if there is demand, the price for them can inflate. Typically, (if the bootlegger is still around) subsequent pressings will be made, usually from the same presses, which ensures further degredation of quality. Whether the price is "fair" is up to you or the eventual buyer. It *is*, however, *about* what other collectors have paid for it, and is the price of a commodity that's rather difficult to shop around for. Scott Lindsey |"Cold and misty morning. I heard a warning borne in the air Claris Corp. | About an age of power when no one had an hour to spare" ames!claris!wombat| DISCLAIMER: These are not the opinions of Claris, Apple, wombat@claris.com | StyleWare, the author, or anyone else living or Dead.
rs5o+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Randall Knowles Smith) (11/20/89)
I've only bought one bootleg; it was the one with Kate in Japanese-like armour on the front, and a willowy white dress on the back; a two-record set. The cost was something like $30. Now, the bad part: It was unlistenable. I was all excited (the album had, I believe, one or two songs I hadn't heard) about it, but the sound quality was MISERABLE. My friend and I listened to it for about 30 minutes, and then, after one song (I forget which) was over, he put in the official CD version of the same song. The difference was amazing. So, my conclusions: Bootleg albums aren't worth it; if you're a completist Kate fan, there are so many of them that you'll never get them all, (I bet IED doesn't have EVERY one, though perhaps he has many), and if you're not, then why bother? The exception to this, of course, is ObsKuriTies II, which can be found quite cheaply and is one of the few bootlegs with mostly never-before-heard songs. But this is the exception that proves the rule. Randy Smith rs5o+@andrew.cmu.edu
plugh@WALT.CC.UTEXAS.EDU (Bob Shelton) (11/30/89)
You like Kate Bush? You exceedingly enjoy her albums? You a collector? You will probably never see it again. Don't look at the price ... just let the money slip away. Don't think about it and just get it. You'll most likely be glad that you did. Plugh. "They took the game right out of it" -- Kate Bush 'In Search of Peter Pan'