[rec.music.gaffa] a philocanine prayer

IED0DXM@OAC.UCLA.EDU (12/05/89)

 To: Love-Hounds
 From: Andrew Marvick (IED)
 Subject: a philocanine prayer

 >   So, I'm sitting here, with my CD player cranking away and the new
 >single in it.  "This Woman's Work (Single Mix)" has just finished, and
 >I'm damned if I can tell the difference between it and the album
 >version, making the "hey, let's sell more records" type inscription on
 >the inside card particularly odious: "Original version of of 'This
 >Woman's Work' available on the album 'The Sensual World.'" I'm sure
 >IED will jump all over me and call me a crass slob for not realizing
 >the brilliance of this ploy, but it smacks of a rotten marketing ploy
 >and it's pretty dishonest too.  Actually, IED will say that Kate had
 >nothing to do with it an it's all EMI's fault, blah blah blah, but
 >thank you very much Mr. D, I am quite capable of realizing that.

     Actually, Drukman, you have as usual failed utterly to
realize anything at all! IED is not surprised, but the fact is
quite plain (as Ed Suranyi has already noted eloquently) that
the single mix of _This_Woman's_Work_ is _very_audibly_ different
from the album version! The strings are much more prominent. Furthermore,
the lead vocal has been given a slightly more "matte" sound than on
the LP. These are not illusions, they are perfectly apparent to anyone
who has any ear for musical nuance at all--or to anyone who actually
takes the trouble to _listen_ to music before passing judgement on it.
     Said differences to the recording having been made for the single release,
it would have been "dishonest" of Kate _not_ to have made the plain and
factual comment that the single mix differs from that on the album.
The idea that Kate is attempting thereby to increase sales is patently
absurd. She has several times made it clear that she is extremely
sensitive to the changes in audio that radio broadcast of her records
can produce in them. As a result, she has made similarly subtle but
nonetheless very real changes to several of her earlier recordings
prior to their release as singles, and as in all those prior instances,
the changes were the product of _aesthetic_ decisions.
     It becomes clear that we cannot realistically expect Drukman
to cease his postings on the subject of the new album, for he has--despite
himself--been undeniably affected by its greatness. What saddens IED more,
however, is that hope must be abandoned, as well, that Drukman will make even
the feeblest sort of effort to listen and to think _before_ he posts.
Drukman's recent screeds on the subject of _TSW_ have been even more heavily
laden with factual errors than their predecessors, despite IED's and
others' repeated demonstrations of Drukman's apalling propensity for
intellectual and musicological carelessness. At this point, we have no
choice but to leave Drukman in the dark, grim morass of slovenly thinking
and tawdry subconnoisseurship to which he stubbornly insists on
consigning himself. Therefore let us pray to Kate for the departed,
once tolerable (if never actually respected) Soul of Drukman, and
let us all take heart in the knowledge that he will surely remain
ignorant of the tragedy of his own fall from grace. May the scales never
fall from Drukman's eyes, lest he recognize his ilk for the poor,
benighted, fickle, cynical, Philistine, fad-conscious wretches
they are.

-- Andrew Marvick, an unsympathetic, sometimes even unsavory, but
   always _true_ Kate Bush fan

stevev@CHEMSTOR.UOREGON.EDU (Steve VanDevender) (12/05/89)

>-- Andrew Marvick, an unsympathetic, sometimes even unsavory, but
>   always _true_ Kate Bush fan

I really wanted to resist the urge to get involved in this, but I
am only human.

IED, It seems that you have been having a bad month, and if it's
true that something in your life is influencing you to write
horrid, arrogant, demeaning replies to people who are merely
expressing their _opinions_, then I hope it gets better soon.
Very soon.

What I enjoy about love-hounds/rec.music.gaffa is the huge
quantity of Kate-related information.  I was a low-grade Kate fan
before discovering rec.music.gaffa by accident
("rec.music.gaffa?" I thought to myself, "what's gaffa?  Sounds
like a reggae term or something.").  All the things I have
learned through this group have given me much more appreciation
for the music of Kate Bush.  I thought "The Ninth Wave" was
fascinating but never got a handle on it until I read discussions
about it here, for example.

We're talking about music here, not astrophysics.  When it comes
to emotional impact and song preferences, there is more than one
right answer.  If someone is making factual errors on fairly
objective matters, then it's possible to point out the errors
without resorting to calling the authors of the offending
articles "poor, benighted, fickle, cynical, Philistine,
fad-conscious wretches."  Although the authors may be, such
accusations tend to move followups off the subject of Kate's
music and onto the subject of who is more of a brain-dead sot.

So please let's talk about Kate Bush instead of how idiotic each
other's opinions are.  It is the diversity of opinion that makes
the musical discussions so interesting.  You like "Reaching Out",
Jon Drukman hates it, and I think it's sort of mediocre but not
unlistenable.

Steve VanDevender, a Kate Bush fan who cannot claim that he
thinks she is god (she smokes?!  Eyeugh.) but who does consider
her music to be some of the best available.
--
Steve VanDevender 	stevev@chemstor.uoregon.edu
"Bipedalism--an unrecognized disease affecting over 99% of the population.
Symptoms include lack of traffic sense, slow rate of travel, and the
classic, easily recognized behavior known as walking."

jsd@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (Jon Drukman) (12/05/89)

Having been subjected yet again to another ridiculous blast from the
IED gun, it becomes increasingly clear that he has no respect for the
opinions of any Kate fan that do not fall into the "total mental case
frothing at the mouth drooling uncontrollably and blindly worshipping
everything Kate does" category.  OK, I admit that the "Single mix"
*is* different from the album mix, but the changes are so minor that
it makes me REALLY ANGRY at the thought that some poor slob would be
suckered by this ploy.  Of course, it doesn't really matter since I
would've bought the single regardless of how different the mix was,
but I can't help feeling irate.  It's cheap, that's all.  

As for my lack of listening ability, mental stability, what have you,
I leave this issue up to the capable brains of the Love Hounds to
decide.  Given my informed, well reasoned, intelligently argued (and
wittily phrased) postings, and IED's bloated, pompous, specious ones,
it becomes obvious whose feet are more firmly planted in reality.
Maybe someday IED will wake up out of this offensive, inquistion-like
trance state he's in and start realizing that there is no room for
dogma in art, and that by stomping on the seeds of free thought, he's
only going to perpetuate a horrible KKK-type mentality, where the only
"correct" thoughts are ones that haven't been censured by the IED
THOUGHT POLICE.  I would further offer to the Philo-Canine community
the rather daring suggestion that it is *IED* who isn't listening
properly to Kate's art.

In the meantime, all of us who still have minds under our own control
will pray for IED's salvation, and hopeful emergence into "normal"
behaviour patterns.  Amen.

"Sticking a spoke in the ear of the unguarded..."



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pb1p+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Peter Glen Berger) (12/06/89)

A paraphrase of IED's pedantic writing:

> ...failed utterly...blah, blah, blah, IED is not surprised, blah....
> quite plain...Furthermore, blah blah blah...perfectly apparent...
> nuance...blah blah...patently absurd...blah blah...subtle but 
> nonetheless very blah changes....undeniably...saddens...feeblest
> ...Drukman's recent screeds [what the f**k's a screed?]...heavily
> laden...appaling propensity for blah blah blah...grim morass...
> tawdry subconnoiseurship blah...let us pray...grace...fickle...
>
>-- Andrew Marvick, an unsympathetic, sometimes even unsavory, but
>   always _true_ Kate Bush fan

You mean an always _true_ pretentious, laughable writer.  That posting
was one of the most revolting pieces of religious fanatacism it has
ever been my misfortune to read.

Perhaps the difference in the new mix is only "quite plain" and
"perfectly apparent" to those who have been indulging too deeply in
hallucinogenic drugs coupled with a healthy dose of mental
masturbation.

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wombat@claris.UUCP (Scott Lindsey) (12/06/89)

In article <AZSzdk200W0JE0tb4s@andrew.cmu.edu> pb1p+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Peter Glen Berger) writes:

> > ...Drukman's recent screeds [what the f**k's a screed?]...heavily

A screed is a leveling device drawn over freshly poured concrete... um...
right.  OK, next definition... a lengthy discourse or an informal piece
of writing.  See, only *sounds* insulting :-)




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