lazlo@ARIEL.UNM.EDU (Lazlo Nibble) (11/13/89)
Reasons To Think The Laugh Is *Not* Part Of Love And Anger:
* It's not part of L&A on the US CD of _TSW_.
* It's not part of L&A on the US Promo-CD of L&A.
* It's not part of L&A in the video.
Reasons To Think The Laugh *Is* Part Of Love And Anger:
* Some dimwitted engineer at EMI tracked it that way on the
British CD of _TSW_.
* IED thinks it is.
Next Week: IED frantically searches for a CD player that can find the remix
of Running Up That Hill on his West German copy of _HoL_; *his*
player can't seem to find it, but EMI put it on the CD label so it
obviously *must* be there! After all, Kate personally checks each
CD herself, by hand, before it leaves the factory . . .
Nonsnide Note: It's happened before; on Pet Shop Boys' last album, some
random EMI engineer misplaced the track marks between Left To My
Own Devices and I Want A Dog.
Back To The Snide: Does IED think the Beatles discs that ended up with
Kate on them was some sort of secret Kateian tribute to John Lennon?
I'm going back to sleep.
Lazlo (lazlo@ariel.unm.edu)
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That seem like steam rising from a boiling cauldron.ed@das.llnl.gov (Edward Suranyi) (11/13/89)
In article <8911130256.AA06846@ariel.unm.edu> lazlo@ARIEL.UNM.EDU (Lazlo Nibble) writes: > >Back To The Snide: Does IED think the Beatles discs that ended up with > Kate on them was some sort of secret Kateian tribute to John Lennon? > If you're thinking about the same thing that I am, Lazlo, then you've got this in reverse. When the CD for _The Whole Story_ was pretty new, some people discovered that a few copies actually had music from the Beatles on them by mistake. This was just before the first Beatles' CDs were to be released, so it created a bit of a stir. I remember this being mentioned on _Entertainment Tonight_ -- as far as I know the only time Kate has been mentioned on that show. Ed (Edward Suranyi) | "Singer/songwriter Kate Bush: The one singer Dept. of Applied Science | on two continents who most deserves a wider UC Davis/Livermore | audience" -- _Saturday Review_ ed@das.llnl.gov | (in special "Underrated/Overrated" issue)
lazlo@ARIEL.UNM.EDU (Lazlo Nibble) (11/13/89)
>> Back To The Snide: Does IED think the Beatles discs that ended up with >> Kate on them was some sort of secret Kateian tribute to John Lennon? > > If you're thinking about the same thing that I am, Lazlo, then you've got > this in reverse. When the CD for _The Whole Story_ was pretty new, some > people discovered that a few copies actually had music from the Beatles on > them by mistake. Indeed! Just goes to show, there's no time for accuracy when you're being snide. (Even the .signature is snide this login. Must be a phase.) Lazlo (lazlo@ariel.unm.edu) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ "Some people are on the bus, some people are off. Usually, I'm the guy under the bus doing nasty things to the steering linkage."
greg@BEACH.CIS.UFL.EDU (Greg O'Rear) (11/15/89)
In article <20699@mimsy.umd.edu> dbk@MIMSY.UMD.EDU (Dan Kozak) writes: >It always seemed "obvious" to me that the laugh was a reaction to the >"Yeah!." It just sounds like she was ad libbing along and inserted >the "yeah" w/o thinking and then laughed at the siliness of it. The >long pause is easily attributed (by anyone whoses spent much time in >the studio) to the "keep-quiet-at-the-end-of-the-take-so-the-editing- >will-be-easier" ethos. Well, it seemed obvious to me that the laugh was a separate event, unrelated to any song on the album, that occurred spontaneously. The song "Get It" on Paul McCartney's "Tug Of War" features Carl Perkins, and at the end of the song, he gives a nice long laugh, apparently enjoying the duet with Paul. The story goes, though, that it was spliced onto the end of the song, and was in fact Carl's response to a particularly dirty joke Paul told him. Perhaps something similar happened with Kate. Maybe, for whatever reason, she laughed, it was recorded, and she decided to put it on the album for the hell of it. Maybe (gasp) she was just having fun! -- Greg O'Rear Industrial and Systems Engineering Department, University of Florida Address: greg@beach.cis.ufl.edu
lizard@cbnewse.ATT.COM (russell.j.neumann) (11/16/89)
I forget who mentioned it first, but I think it is entirely possible that the Laugh belongs all to itself. When I first listened to "Never for Ever" (before looking closely at the cover) I thought that "Army Dreamers" had an a capella intro. Later I realized that it was a short piece with a title all its own (Night Scented Stock). Maybe she's done the same thing here, only with a laugh instead of a short piece of singing. The laugh, of course, wouldn't warrant a title or track number of its own. The Ice Princess Cynthia C. Schaefer att!ihu1h!rambo
fc0h+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Francis Stanley Cwiklik) (11/16/89)
Greg O'Rear writes: >Maybe, for whatever reason, >she laughed, it was recorded, and she decided to put it on the album for the >hell of it. Maybe (gasp) she was just having fun! Kate? Our Kate? Our goddess Kate? Never!!! :-) >The song "Get It" >on Paul McCartney's "Tug Of War" features Carl Perkins, and at the end of the >song, he gives a nice long laugh, apparently enjoying the duet with Paul. >The story goes, though, that it was spliced onto the end of the song, and was >in fact Carl's response to a particularly dirty joke Paul told him. Great album, great song. When I first heard this piece of the album, I was so charmed that I played it back a few times before going onward. Would anyone out there happen to know exactly what the joke was? In Stannard and Tobler's Working Class Heroes, it is mentioned that it is one of the old sailor-in-a-bar jokes, but it doesn't say what it was. If anyone knows, let me know (if it's really bad, maybe you should mail it right to me! :-) ) (Yeah, I know, I should be posting this to rec.music.beatles, but it came up here first, so there, pbbbt.) ---frank ********************************************** "If only we were amongst friends... or sane persons..." ---Rocky Horror Picture Show ********************************************** DISCLAIMER: If, in the course of this posting, I have hurt, offended, anguished, mortified, insulted, alienated, denigrated, humbled, pained, debased, or shocked anyone, anyone at all... ...then I've done my job. ---Ambush Bug
jsd@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (Jon Drukman) (12/01/89)
I assume you all remember my survey about whether the laugh belonged to "The Fog" or "Love And Anger," right? Well, I got a bunch of answers, and here's the verdict. Of the six respondents, five thought it went with "The Fog" with the odd man out thinking it belonged to neither song and was just a piece of audio flotsam thrown in for no apparent reason by Kate. Most of the respondents said that the laugh sounded "right" with "The Fog." Some claimed that if it were part of LAA, then it would detract from the finality of the "Yeah!" The most succinct observation was provided, as usual, by our Humble Pseudo-Moderator |>oug who said: >It's obvious to anyone who isn't an inane idiot that it belongs at the >beginning of "The Fog". Geez. And that, said Jon, is that. +---------------------- Is there any ESCAPE from NOISE? ----------------------+ | | |\ | jsd@gaffa.mit.edu | "To serve God, you gotta be stupid and | | \|on |/rukman | jsd@umass.bitnet | freakish and poor." -- ?? | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
steve@halley.UUCP (Steve Williams) (12/01/89)
In some article or another, jsd@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (Jon Drukman) writes: >I assume you all remember my survey about whether the laugh belonged >to "The Fog" or "Love And Anger," right? Well, I got a bunch of >answers, and here's the verdict. > >Of the six respondents, five thought it went with "The Fog" with the >odd man out thinking it belonged to neither song and was just a piece >of audio flotsam thrown in for no apparent reason by Kate. Most of I'm not sure I'm the "odd man out", but I did post something that proposed that the laugh might not be part of either song, but may have been placed between the two in an intentionally ambiguous way by Kate as a sort of joke (it IS a laugh, right?). I certainly never suggested it was flotsam, or that Kate threw it in without a reason. With 4+ years to work on an album, I don't think Kate does anything w/o a reason. With reports about various CD pressings that show the laugh in one song or the other, I even considered it possible that _that_ was done intentionally, rather than through some engineering error (as someone else proposed). I personally think it fits better as part of The Fog, but my own CD player shows it to be part of LaA on both a US-pressed and an Austrian-pressed CD. Finally, I don't *really* give a shit which song it belongs to, but I haven't used my share of net bandwidth in a couple of weeks and this posting is a start at catching up... On another subject: If you haven't heard the new song ("I'm Still Waiting") from the new British single, then you're missing something. Kate hasn't done such raw vocals since GOOMH. Yow! ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Williams ...!cs.utexas.edu!halley!steve Tandem Computers (512)-244-8252 -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
nbc@INF.RL.AC.UK (12/01/89)
>From: jsd@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (Jon Drukman) >I assume you all remember my survey about whether the laugh belonged >to "The Fog" or "Love And Anger," right? >Of the six respondents, five thought it went with "The Fog" with the >odd man out thinking it belonged to neither song and was just a piece >of audio flotsam thrown in for no apparent reason by Kate. Most of >the respondents said that the laugh sounded "right" with "The Fog." >Some claimed that if it were part of LAA, then it would detract from >the finality of the "Yeah!" The most succinct observation was >provided, as usual, by our Humble Pseudo-Moderator |>oug who said: > >>It's obvious to anyone who isn't an inane idiot that it belongs at the >>beginning of "The Fog". Geez. Well as a well-known inane idiot of long standing let me cast my delayed vote for the laugh being part of "Love And Anger". To me it is an ideal riposte to the "Yeah" rather than distracting from it at all. I can see no connection with the laugh and Kate's stated elements behind "The Fog", i.e. that of relationships, trying to let go of people and slipping into the fog. In fact, it's obvious to anyone who isn't Dan Quayle that it belongs at the end of "Love and Anger". ----------------------------------------------------------------------- Neil Calton UUCP: ..!mcvax!ukc!rlinf!nbc Rutherford Appleton Laboratory, ARPA: nbc%inf.rl.ac.uk@nsfnet-relay.ac.uk Chilton, Didcot, Oxon OX11 0QX JANET: nbc@uk.ac.rl.inf England Tel: (0235) 821900 ext 5740 Home of Kate Bush
jsd@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (Jon Drukman) (12/02/89)
In article <8912011249.AA02524@ginkgo> nbc@INF.RL.AC.UK writes: >>>It's obvious to anyone who isn't an inane idiot that it belongs at the >>>beginning of "The Fog". Geez. > >Well as a well-known inane idiot of long standing let me cast my >delayed vote for the laugh being part of "Love And Anger". To me it is >an ideal riposte to the "Yeah" rather than distracting from it at all. >I can see no connection with the laugh and Kate's stated elements >behind "The Fog", i.e. that of relationships, trying to let go of >people and slipping into the fog. > >In fact, it's obvious to anyone who isn't Dan Quayle that it belongs at the >end of "Love and Anger". I am not Dan Quayle (at least I wasn't last time I checked - let me have a quick peek... nope, definitely do not have tapioca between my ears so I can't be him...) and I don't agree with you. The laugh is the perfect introduction to "The Fog." A giggle at a half-remembered childhood foible, like being scared of the water. A piquant chuckle of bemusement over the naivete of youth. Of course, we're not like that anymore, but cast your mind back... (cue Fairlight whistles). See what I mean? Perfection. Besides, if you're so clever, how come the laugh ain't in the video or on the CD or cassette single? +---------------------- Is there any ESCAPE from NOISE? ----------------------+ | | |\ | jsd@gaffa.mit.edu | "To serve God, you gotta be stupid and | | \|on |/rukman | jsd@umass.bitnet | freakish and poor." -- ?? | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------------+
woiccare@CLUTX.CLARKSON.EDU (Woj) (12/02/89)
nbc@INF.RL.AC.UK: > I can see no connection with the laugh and Kate's stated elements > behind "The Fog", i.e. that of relationships, trying to let go of > people and slipping into the fog. The connection I see is due to the nervous feel of the laugh. (yes I know that is very subjective and you might not think it such). The theme of "The Fog" is dependent on the parallel between the fear of love and the fear of swimming ("This love is big enough to be frightened of/it's deep and dark like the waterholes the day I learned to swim"). Essentially it's a theme of growing, and alot of the time, people will put on a false sense of bravado and laugh at the prospect of learning to swim, or learning to love, or whatever. I think the laugh is a be- trayal of this bravado becasue of the nervousness of it -- by the laugh she reveals this falseness. As, I'm going on pure feeling, and I don't know if this really makes sense the way I am trying to explain it. > In fact, it's obvious to anyone who isn't Dan Quayle that it belongs at the > end of "Love and Anger". One need not drop to techniques of insult to disgree, no? woj --- woiccare@clutx.clarkson.edu
tracyr@UUNET.UU.NET (jane smallberries) (12/05/89)
In article <8912011857.AA14416@GAFFA.MIT.EDU> Jon Drukman writes: > > [...denials of jon being dan quayle deleted...] > >The laugh is >the perfect introduction to "The Fog." A giggle at a half-remembered >childhood foible, like being scared of the water. A piquant chuckle >of bemusement over the naivete of youth. geez, i never thought i'd get into this, but... i can't say The Laugh sounds that way to me, jon. it's too full, too Knowing. like the amusement stems from experience and mileage in love and life, not a sentimental chuckle. i think your argument about the laugh being missing from the l&a video and cd single is more convincing. my two cents, -tracy uunet!sco!tracyr, tracyr@sco.com -- "What happens to the soul after death? How does it manage?" -- Woody Allen
CCJS@cc.nu.OZ.AU (James Smith) (01/20/90)
Path: cc!ccjs From: CCJS@cc.nu.oz (James Smith) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: The laugh (yes, I know...) Message-ID: <11849@cc.nu.oz> Date: 19 Jan 90 15:20:10 -1000 Organization: University of Newcastle Lines: 18 Does anyone have a copy of the record? If so, in which set of grooves does the laugh fall, those for Love and Anger or those for The Fog, or is it indeterminate? You can find this out by watching the needle as the record plays. I'd check it myself but I don't have a copy of the record. It occurs to me that the position on the record is far more significant than the indexing on any CD, and that it is much more likely that Kate oversaw it. Jim -- James Smith | Each night father fills me with dread, Computing Centre | When he sits at the foot of my bed. Newcastle University | I'd not mind that he speaks ccjs@cc.nu.oz.au | In gibbers and squeaks, | But for seventeen years he's been dead. | -- Edward Gorey
CCJS@cc.nu.oz (James Smith) (01/20/90)
Does anyone have a copy of the record? If so, in which set of grooves does the laugh fall, those for Love and Anger or those for The Fog, or is it indeterminate? You can find this out by watching the needle as the record plays. I'd check it myself but I don't have a copy of the record. It occurs to me that the position on the record is far more significant than the indexing on any CD, and that it is much more likely that Kate oversaw it. Jim -- James Smith | Each night father fills me with dread, Computing Centre | When he sits at the foot of my bed. Newcastle University | I'd not mind that he speaks ccjs@cc.nu.oz.au | In gibbers and squeaks, | But for seventeen years he's been dead. | -- Edward Gorey
turney@SVAX.CS.CORNELL.EDU (Jenn Turney) (01/25/90)
Well, here's an addition to this silly controversy: The laugh is at the end of "Love and Anger" on the LP. That is, the sound occurs before the needle crosses the space between "Love and Anger" and "The Fog". She's playing with us... Another note: I've never heard Dagmar Krause (though I expect I will soon) but I see her name associated not only with Henry Cow but also with Art Bears and News from Babel. That's a more or less chronological evolution. NfB is Chris Cutler, Dagmar Krause, Zeena Parkins and Lindsay Cooper. Jenn P.S. I'll even be so kind as to dig up "The Owl and the Pussycat" this afternoon (if someone else doesn't beat me to it). I think Beautiful Pea Green Boat is a perfectly good name for a band -- there are lots that are much worse. ________ | | turney@svax.cs.cornell.edu | let us all be born just one more time | | | Dept. of Computer Science | we may yet get it \_| | Cornell University | right -- Nikki Giovanni
portuesi%tweezers.esd@SGI.COM (Michael Portuesi) (03/16/90)
>>>>> On 14 Mar 90 02:28:00 GMT, CCJS@cc.nu.OZ.AU (James Smith) said: > I can't see this being sorted out until Kate actually says where it > belongs. > Jim I think if you actually asked Kate, she'd give you one of her classic evasive answers. That's because I'm convinced she's deliberately playing with us by attaching the laugh to L&A sometimes, but not all the time. Let's take count: WITH L&A NOT WITH L&A -------- ------------ American TSW CD British TSW CD British L&A 12" single British L&A CD single American L&A promo CD single CMV L&A video What about "Aspects of the Sensual World?" Does the laugh appear there? | BTW, I somewhat agree with \|on about "Ken". The music is certainly nothing to write home about; if you ever wanted to hear what a cheap pop tune written by Kate Bush would sound like, this is it. But the vocals are quite wonderful. I didn't really think much of "The Confrontation". It sounded like somebody making strange sounds on a Fairlight. "One Last Look...." was a very pretty piece, but unfortunately only a minute long. --M
jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) (03/16/90)
In article <9003151804.AA17054@tweezers.esd.sgi.com> portuesi@sgi.com (Michael Portuesi) writes: > >What about "Aspects of the Sensual World?" Does the laugh appear >there? > Happily, I picked up my $6.35 (after tax!) CD single "Aspects of the Sensual World" today... The laugh most certainly does not appear on it, which means absolutely nothing, because neither L&A nor The Fog are on the disc! Wheee! I finally have "Be Kind..." and "I'm Still Waiting" on CD... I bought the 12" of TWW so I could get the poster, and my tape of those two songs is terrible. |Jeffrey C. Burka | "On the outskirts of nowhere | |jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | on the ringroad to somewhere, | |jburka@amber.ucs.indiana.edu | on the verge of indecision..." --Fish |
cs225ax@UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU (Ken.") (03/16/90)
Written by portuesi%tweezer@SGI.COM in rec.music.gaffa: > WITH L&A NOT WITH L&A > -------- ------------ > American TSW CD British TSW CD ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Er, uh, my cd player says track 3 when I hear Kate's laugh. It actually says it after the "Yeah!" and relatively well before the laugh. Kate didn't make two versions of _LaA_ with CBS did she? Remember when CBS brightened the gold ink on the _TSW_ CD? Hmm. Sheesh, this is ferociously confusing. I have the CBS _TSW_ by the way (slightly important!) The laugh doesn't seem to belong to _LaA_ on CD, but it does on LP. Is this the case? I haven't bought the LP _TSW_ (not to mention on tape!) so I'm not sure. *whew* Too confusing for me... Ken. ken-b@uiuc.edu "Who's the man we all need? KEN! Who's the funky sex machine? KEN!" -- jon drukman quotes Kate. :-) galore, folks.
portuesi%tweezers.esd@SGI.COM (Michael Portuesi) (03/17/90)
>>>>> On 16 Mar 90 07:02:57 GMT, cs225ax@UX1.CSO.UIUC.EDU (Ken.") said: > Written by portuesi%tweezer@SGI.COM in rec.music.gaffa: >> WITH L&A NOT WITH L&A >> -------- ------------ >> American TSW CD British TSW CD > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > Er, uh, my cd player says track 3 when I hear Kate's laugh. It actually Ooops. I guess I got them reveresed. I typed that off the top of my head, and I didn't have my copy of TSW with me at the time.