trb@drutx.UUCP (BuckleyTR) (09/02/84)
Phil Lavette,
I'm glad you have such a knowledge of history. Let's probe further
and see if we can't eliminate your them-against-us/us-against-them
attitude.
US vs. the USSR
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We may have indeed tried to destabilize the USSR. I hope so. But,
we have also financed it. In his book, "Wall Street and the Bolshevik
Revolution" Professor Antony Sutton (Research Fellow at Hoover
Institution, Stanford) proves with voluminous evidence that major
banking and business interests engineered and financed the Bolshevik
Revolution, while all the time parading as champions of free
enterprise.
Once Lenin adopted the New Economic Policy in 1921 (similar to the New
China Policy of 1984) the U.S. Government followed with massive
technological aid and finance - RIGHT DOWN TO THE PRESENT DAY!
Another good book is "From Major Jordan's Diarys" written by General
George Racey Jordan, who was in charge of the US Lend Lease operation
at Great Falls, Montana. In this book, he recounts how everything we
sent to the Soviet Union during WWII and shortly after, went by him.
He began to get worried early on about the kind of classified
information we were sending them, and started keeping a diary,
complete with photostats of EVERYTHING that went out.
What his diarys reveal is astounding. We sent them (in addition
to the hundreds of millions in military hardware):
- blueprints and detailed documentation of most major factories and
military bases in this country.
- thousands of patents, most of technological or military nature.
- printing plates to print an unlimited amount of German occupation
marks, which we redemmed at a cost of $250 million to the
American taxpayer.
- a special shipment of briefcases that were sent through by orders
of Henry Dexter White. Acting against orders, General Jordan
opened these briefcases and found documents and plans with words
he had never seen nor heard of before, like "heavy water" and
"uranium" and "fission". Keep in mind, this was before the
nuclear age. One of the documents had a hand written memo on
White House stationary from Henry Dexter White that said "From
Hiss."
Then, in recent years, we continue the massive subsidy with the Kama
River truck factory in the early 70s, the famous Earl Butz grain
give-aways, the spohisticated ball-bearing machines used by the
Soviets to guide their missles, the integrated circuit technology
give-aways to the Soviets, when we won't even sell it to our allies.
So, why on earth do we try and build up OUR military machine to battle
a Soviet threat which WE CREATED? It just wouldn't happen to be
because major financial interests and governmental authorities want to
profit off conflict (a modern version of the Hagelian dialectic)?
Wars are big bucks, arms sales are big bucks, and whenever there's
conflict, there's excuse for the government to expand, raise taxes,
and do things that would never be allowed in a peaceful society. But,
let's move on:
US vs. HITLER
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Next, take a look at Professor Sutton's book, "Wall Street and the
Rise of Hitler." This thoroughly documented book relates the role
played by J.P. Morgan, T.W. Lamont, the Rockefeller interests, General
Electric Company, Standard Oil, National City Bank, Chase and
Manhattan banks, Kuhn, Loeb and Company, General Motors, and scores of
other companies and business elitists in helping finance the most
bloodiest, destructive war in history, with FULL KNOWLEDGE that the
outcome of their actions would probably result in a World War.
(But hey, young men that will fight and die are plentiful, and profit
is more important, right?)
Wait a minute, you don't mean that there could be some powerful
figures who finance BOTH SIDES of a war (e.g. Marxist Russia [thesis]
and Hitler's National Socialiam [antithesis] to form the dialectical
conflict of WWII, with the [synthesis] of an expanded US federal
government, a powerful Soviet Union, and a move towards greater
international power in the hands of a few, such as the United
Nations), do you?
Gee, we could even talk about how the United Nations ran both sides of the
Korean War (much of the millions in Lend-Lease hardware given to the
Soviets in WWII was used AGAINST General MacArthur in Korea), or
how our soldiers in Vietnam fought against Vietcong soldiers
using trucks, tanks, and weapons made in the US or developed
with US technology.
But then, that suggests that old right-wing crackpot conspiracy
theory, and we KNOW that can't be right, right? I mean, surely modern
events are all coincidental, right? I mean, it MUST just be them (the
totally INDEPENDENT Soviets) vs. us, the USA, in a simple battle over
ideology, right? Sure...
So what does all this have to do with Phil Lavette's article? I'm just
tired of all this simple-minded them-vs.-us attitude that everyone
seems to have. There's a lot more than what appears on the surface,
and in Reagan's shallow rhetoric.
And, I welcome discussion, but please cite all sources for any
evidence, facts, figures, etc., so it doesn't become another shouting
match for what we "think" to be the case.
I have a bibliography of scores of books, publictaions, and articles
from a wide variety of sources if someone wants more information.
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Tom Buckley
AT&T Information Systems
...drutx!trbjeffw@tekecs.UUCP (Jeff Winslow) (09/04/84)
Stay tune for Professor Anthony Sutton's newest book: "Wall Street and the
Rise of Christianity".
Jeff Winslow