[rec.music.gaffa] Ownership, power, and contingency

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I tend not to list sources on quotations on purpose - it rather
nicely decontextualizes the language from the movie or video that
plays in your head when you read it. It's my blow against the 
music business. Also, some of the quotations are not from songs at
all, but from poets. Never hurts to hook the unwary into a life of
reading the "dead" corpus of poetics. Ciaoragazzi.
--
upon a hill/as the day dissolves/my pencil turning moments into line/high
above/in the violet sky/a silent silver plane/it draws a golden chain/one
by one/all the stars appear/as the great winds of the planet spiral in....
Gregory Alan Taylor/Heurikon Corporation/Madison, WI 53717/(608) 828 - 3385

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Really-From: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)


I tend not to list sources on quotations on purpose - it rather
nicely decontextualizes the language from the movie or video that
plays in your head when you read it. It's my blow against the 
music business. Also, some of the quotations are not from songs at
all, but from poets. Never hurts to hook the unwary into a life of
reading the "dead" corpus of poetics. Ciaoragazzi.
--
upon a hill/as the day dissolves/my pencil turning moments into line/high
above/in the violet sky/a silent silver plane/it draws a golden chain/one
by one/all the stars appear/as the great winds of the planet spiral in....
Gregory Alan Taylor/Heurikon Corporation/Madison, WI 53717/(608) 828 - 3385

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Really-From: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)


I tend not to list sources on quotations on purpose - it rather
nicely decontextualizes the language from the movie or video that
plays in your head when you read it. It's my blow against the 
music business. Also, some of the quotations are not from songs at
all, but from poets. Never hurts to hook the unwary into a life of
reading the "dead" corpus of poetics. Ciaoragazzi.
--
upon a hill/as the day dissolves/my pencil turning moments into line/high
above/in the violet sky/a silent silver plane/it draws a golden chain/one
by one/all the stars appear/as the great winds of the planet spiral in....
Gregory Alan Taylor/Heurikon Corporation/Madison, WI 53717/(608) 828 - 3385

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Really-From: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)


I tend not to list sources on quotations on purpose - it rather
nicely decontextualizes the language from the movie or video that
plays in your head when you read it. It's my blow against the 
music business. Also, some of the quotations are not from songs at
all, but from poets. Never hurts to hook the unwary into a life of
reading the "dead" corpus of poetics. Ciaoragazzi.
--
upon a hill/as the day dissolves/my pencil turning moments into line/high
above/in the violet sky/a silent silver plane/it draws a golden chain/one
by one/all the stars appear/as the great winds of the planet spiral in....
Gregory Alan Taylor/Heurikon Corporation/Madison, WI 53717/(608) 828 - 3385

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I tend not to list sources on quotations on purpose - it rather
nicely decontextualizes the language from the movie or video that
plays in your head when you read it. It's my blow against the 
music business. Also, some of the quotations are not from songs at
all, but from poets. Never hurts to hook the unwary into a life of
reading the "dead" corpus of poetics. Ciaoragazzi.
--
upon a hill/as the day dissolves/my pencil turning moments into line/high
above/in the violet sky/a silent silver plane/it draws a golden chain/one
by one/all the stars appear/as the great winds of the planet spiral in....
Gregory Alan Taylor/Heurikon Corporation/Madison, WI 53717/(608) 828 - 3385

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Really-From: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)


I tend not to list sources on quotations on purpose - it rather
nicely decontextualizes the language from the movie or video that
plays in your head when you read it. It's my blow against the 
music business. Also, some of the quotations are not from songs at
all, but from poets. Never hurts to hook the unwary into a life of
reading the "dead" corpus of poetics. Ciaoragazzi.
--
upon a hill/as the day dissolves/my pencil turning moments into line/high
above/in the violet sky/a silent silver plane/it draws a golden chain/one
by one/all the stars appear/as the great winds of the planet spiral in....
Gregory Alan Taylor/Heurikon Corporation/Madison, WI 53717/(608) 828 - 3385

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Really-From: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)


I tend not to list sources on quotations on purpose - it rather
nicely decontextualizes the language from the movie or video that
plays in your head when you read it. It's my blow against the 
music business. Also, some of the quotations are not from songs at
all, but from poets. Never hurts to hook the unwary into a life of
reading the "dead" corpus of poetics. Ciaoragazzi.
--
upon a hill/as the day dissolves/my pencil turning moments into line/high
above/in the violet sky/a silent silver plane/it draws a golden chain/one
by one/all the stars appear/as the great winds of the planet spiral in....
Gregory Alan Taylor/Heurikon Corporation/Madison, WI 53717/(608) 828 - 3385

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I tend not to list sources on quotations on purpose - it rather
nicely decontextualizes the language from the movie or video that
plays in your head when you read it. It's my blow against the 
music business. Also, some of the quotations are not from songs at
all, but from poets. Never hurts to hook the unwary into a life of
reading the "dead" corpus of poetics. Ciaoragazzi.
--
upon a hill/as the day dissolves/my pencil turning moments into line/high
above/in the violet sky/a silent silver plane/it draws a golden chain/one
by one/all the stars appear/as the great winds of the planet spiral in....
Gregory Alan Taylor/Heurikon Corporation/Madison, WI 53717/(608) 828 - 3385

Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (10/15/90)

Really-From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert)


> I tend not to list sources on quotations on purpose - it rather
> nicely decontextualizes the language from the movie or video that
> plays in your head when you read it. It's my blow against the
> music business. Also, some of the quotations are not from songs at
> all, but from poets. Never hurts to hook the unwary into a life of
> reading the "dead" corpus of poetics. Ciaoragazzi.

Hey, Greg, I don't mean to flame, and in general I support any show of 
disrespect for business, music or otherwise;  BUT, using quotations from
any source without credit is simple theft from the author.  International
copyright law allows for short, credited quotation;  you aren't affecting 
the record companies, publishers, etc.  You *are* depriving your readers of
the opportunity of tracking your references down and maybe discovering a
new work or artist.  It is also a courtesy, at least, to your readers to
assume that they are capable of "decontextualizing" a quote themselves,
or not as they choose.  Sorry if I come on strong, but I feel the free 
exchange of information (via this newsgroup, for example) is the most important
philosophical freedom and practical mechanism for social continuity that we
have;  the withholding of any information, names included, is censorship
and very dangerous.

NOTE:  this is all my very humble opinion, particularly since I've been using
uncredited quotes in my signature.  So:

"Share and Enjoy"
"Here, put this fish in your ear"
"Go stick your head in a pig"

are all from _The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy_ trilogy (actually,
four books, a radio series, and a TV show) by Douglas Adams.

All this aside, I'm still thankful to Mr. Taylor for reminding me of the
Walter Benjamin quote and its recent _Strange Angels_ usage.

-greg -- gb10@gte.com  

"Don't ever think you can't change the past and the future.
You might not, not think so now
But just you wait and see -- someone will come to help you."
K. Bush -- Love and Anger

Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (10/16/90)

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Really-From: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)


I tend not to list sources on quotations on purpose - it rather
nicely decontextualizes the language from the movie or video that
plays in your head when you read it. It's my blow against the 
music business. Also, some of the quotations are not from songs at
all, but from poets. Never hurts to hook the unwary into a life of
reading the "dead" corpus of poetics. Ciaoragazzi.
--
upon a hill/as the day dissolves/my pencil turning moments into line/high
above/in the violet sky/a silent silver plane/it draws a golden chain/one
by one/all the stars appear/as the great winds of the planet spiral in....
Gregory Alan Taylor/Heurikon Corporation/Madison, WI 53717/(608) 828 - 3385

Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (10/19/90)

Really-From: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)


> From: gb10@gte.com (Gregory Bossert)
> Hey, Greg, I don't mean to flame, and in general I support any show
> of disrespect for business, music or otherwise; BUT, using
> quotations from any source without credit is simple theft from the
> author.

No, it's ah...sampling. Viva los postmodernistos! 

I'll be glad to do the pointer for anyone who asks, and I don't imply
that it's me. Think of it as a delayed attibution. I'll think about
what Greg said, but I honestly feel that once *any* name is pasted on
a .signature, the whole content is put into a box. I'd be inclined to
think that the Kate Bush stuff in his .sig line might be more Randized
Rush drivel without a signature, for example [and thus bring a crowd
of howling Shi'ite Bush supporters screaming for my blood for
blaspheming their goddess down on me :-| ]. You see my point?

By the way, I appreciate the kind tone, Greg. Pay no attention to the
Nina Robe .signature line quote. Actually, the author's name is an
anagram....

--
a cooling system/burns out in the ukraine/trees and umbrellas/protect us 
from the new rain/armies of engineers/to analyze the soil/the food we
contemplate/the water that we boil/i can't run/but i can walk much faster
than this/gregory alan taylor/heurikon/madison, WI 53717/(608) 828-3385

Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (10/20/90)

Really-From: gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com (Gregory Taylor)


In article <956@heurikon.heurikon.com> gtaylor@vme.heurikon.com
(Gregory Taylor) writes:

> By the way, I appreciate the kind tone,
> Greg. Pay no attention to the Nina Robe .signature line quote.
> Actually, the author's name is an anagram....

Whoops! the autorotate program changed my .sig on me. It's actually
Milo Snaup, NOT Nina.

--
a cooling system/burns out in the ukraine/trees and umbrellas/protect us 
from the new rain/armies of engineers/to analyze the soil/the food we
contemplate/the water that we boil/i can't run/but i can walk much faster
than this/gregory alan taylor/heurikon/madison, WI 53717/(608) 828-3385