system@lamont.UUCP (bob bookbinder) (10/10/84)
We are in the process of setting up a LAN here at Lamont.
The initial three systems will be a VAX 11/780 running Eunice, a
PDP 11/70 running 2.9bsd and a Sun Workstation running 4.2bsd
connected via Ethernet (TCP/IP).
The three systems will all have the DOD TCP/IP stuff so in
theory all is ok -- Then along comes a MicroVax.
Does anyone know of TCP/IP running on a MicroVax. The
Ethernet hardware is no problem, but I'm told Eunice isn't available.
Any comments would be gladly accepted.
Bob Bookbinder
UUCP: {decvax, cmc12, mcvax, ihnp4} philabs!lamont!systemmedin@ucbvax.ARPA (Milo Medin) (10/13/84)
TCP/IP from TWG doesnt need Eunice to run, you get some added features if you have Eunice, but you dont need it per se. Call them up and see if it'll fly.... Milo
jss@sjuvax.UUCP (Jonathan Shapiro) (10/31/84)
[Aren't you hungry...] Eunice might not be available, and almost certainly wouldn't work anyway (voice of bitter experience). Your best bet is to pester DEC until they admit that unisoft runs on the microvax. Unisoft is DEC's edition of 4.1 BSD.
geoff@desint.UUCP (Geoff Kuenning) (11/04/84)
In article <589@sjuvax.UUCP> Jonathan Shapiro writes: > Eunice might not be available, and almost certainly wouldn't work >anyway (voice of bitter experience). Your best bet is to pester DEC until >they admit that unisoft runs on the microvax. Unisoft is DEC's edition of >4.1 BSD. No, no, no, no, no. UNISOFT is a *company* that sells 68K Unix ports. DEC has a product named *ULTRIX* that is their version of *4.2* BSD. With all that misinformation, I wonder if there is any hard data to support the theory that Ultrix runs on the Microvax. As an ex-Deccie, I can tell you that frequently the software *will* run in "unsupported" configurations (I almost managed to get 11M up on a dual-floppy 11/03 once; needed a third floppy to actually pull it off). But DEC makes no special effort to suppress the code that supports such configurations. So if Ultrix runs on the Microvax, it probably is mostly a configuration problem to bring it up (that, and getting it to fit...). -- Geoff Kuenning First Systems Corporation ...!ihnp4!trwrb!desint!geoff
msc@qubix.UUCP (Mark Callow) (11/04/84)
> Eunice might not be available, and almost certainly wouldn't work > anyway (voice of bitter experience). Your best bet is to pester DEC until > they admit that unisoft runs on the microvax. Unisoft is DEC's edition of > 4.1 BSD. This is completely wrong. Digital (or DEC as it was) offers *Ultrix* on the microvax and all vaxes up to the new 8600. Ultrix is Digital's version of *4.2BSD*. Mostly the changes re to do with making the diagnostic messages more Digital-like so the FE's can understand them better. Ultrix is not yet available on the new VaxStation 1 because they haven't finished the driver for the graphics stuff. It isn't available on the 8600 yet because they haven't made it use all the bells and whistles of the monster yet. Unisoft is a product of Unisoft Corporation and is based on System V. It is also marketed by UniPress. Digital has absolutely nothing to do with it. -- From the TARDIS of Mark Callow msc@qubix.UUCP, qubix!msc@decwrl.ARPA ...{decvax,ucbvax}!decwrl!qubix!msc, ...{amd,ihnp4,ittvax}!qubix!msc
kvc@scgvaxd.UUCP (Kevin Carosso) (11/06/84)
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The TCP/IP that Tektronix distributes for VMS looks like it'll run
under microVMS on a microVAX. The only changes that it'll need are
those for any other VMS V4 system. Since I just finished the V4
update class, I am in the middle of converting the code to run under
VMS V4. The changes are simple. The DEQNA (Q-bus ethernet controller)
is identical to the DEUNA at the device driver level, so it should
work with the DEUNA modifications I already have in the Tektronix code.
It will also be able to share the DEQNA with DECnet (or any other
protocol) just as it currently does with the DEUNA.
If anyone is interested, just drop me a line...
/Kevin Carosso {allegra, ihnp4, seismo, decvax!trwrb}!scgvaxd!kvc
Hughes Aircraft Co.dbr@cybvax0.UUCP (Douglas Robinson) (11/06/84)
Ok, for the full scoop (as much as I can tell):
1. Unisource is a company, NOT a piece of software.
It has NOTHING to do with the MicroVAX-I (uVAX-I).
2. ULTRIX is DEC's version of 4.2BSD (NOTE: They track
USENET and fix errors in code! No more maintenance
problems.)
3. ULTRIX for the uVAX-I has just been released by
DEC and is known as: 'ULTRIX-32m rel. 1.0'.
4. This is a non-changeable (unless you get source) linked
kernel with all drivers that DEC supports for the
uVAX-I configuration. A relinkable object file distribution
is in the works (a la ULTRIX-32 for the larger VAXen), but
won't be available for rel. 1.0.
5. Adding drivers is a non-trivial problem! The memory
map registers that you find on all larger VAX's are
NOT on uVAX-I so all devices are required to be MSCP
(so the driver can do scatter/gather for the machine).
6. ULTRIX-32m WORKS WELL! I have personnally MOVED
(NOT RECOMPILED, BUT COPIED) executables from an 11/750
running 4.2 BSD to this O/S and had them run without
problem! (5Mb in all!)
7. uVAX-I is about the same speed as the 11/73. It excells over
the 11/73 when overlays would be necessary and where a lot
of floating point is used (I have comparison benchmarks that
could be posted if enough desire becomes apparent). It is
a little slower where 16 bit integers are involved.
8. I am in the process of obtaining enough hardware to Ethernet
the uVAX-I and our 11/750 together. This will be via 4.2BSD/
ULTRIX standard utilities using the DEQNA (Ethernet for
Q-Bus(22bit)) and the DEUNA (Ethernet for UNIBUS). If desired,
I can post the results as well.
I hope this clears up some of the confusion.
--
Doug Robinson Jobs don't kill programmers... programmers kill jobs!
Cybermation, Inc. 617/492-8810
377 Putnam Avenue
Cambridge, MA 02139 (USA)
...!{mit-eddie, harvard, mirror}!cybvax0!dbrjim@haring.UUCP (11/08/84)
It could just have been the shock induced by having to fish cans of beer out of a bucket of icy water, but I was sure I played with a MicroVax running 4.2BSD (Ultrix by any other name) in the DEC hospitality suite in Salt Lake City. It even had the 'sendmail.cf' we sent Armando some time ago, so it must have been real UNIX... Jim McKie Centrum voor Wiskunde en Informatica, Amsterdam mcvax!jim