Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (09/29/90)
Really-From: nrc@cbema.att.com (Neal R Caldwell, Ii) Vickie (one of Vickie'n'Chris) writes: > Again, for the benefit of skimmers: > > KATE IS NOT A SCIENTOLIGIST !!!!!!!!!! > KATE IS NOT INTO HOMEOPATHY !!!!!!!!!! > and... KATE IS NOT INTO GURDJIEFF !!!!!!!!!! > > ...or wood nymphs or faeries or moon cheese worship or anything else > of the sort. I really can't just sit by and listen to this sort of talk without speaking up. How could anyone claim that Kate isn't into Moon Cheese worship? References to the Great Chedder of the Night Sky are scattered throughout her work. "Over the lights, under the moon" she chants over and over again in _Kite_, just as the monastic Moon Cheese worshippers of north-west Kurdistan have for centuries. "I'm hanging on the Old Goose Moon," says Kate in _L'Amour Looks Something Like You_, a Moon Cheese worshipper phrase referring to how much we depend on the Loving Luner Limburger for the many blessings and tastey cheese treats that he bestows upon us. I could go on and on listing references but until you bother to understand Moon Cheesers a little better there's not much point. I'm sure that if you would you'd see Kate's music in an entirely different light. ---- Vickie (one of Vickie'n'Chris) writes: > Gregory writes: > > > Way Cool, Vickie and Chris: glad you're going, since I know you guys > > will post a pile of stuff about it... and y'all deserve to go, after all... > > Thanks! I have to get back into the habit of writing I suppose. Chicago's > just too much fun...keeps me away from the keyboard. That was one > advantage to living in boring old Kansas City...lots of time for writing! What would be really great would be for someone to scrounge up a portable computer and post direct from the show. I'm sure that plenty of KT fans at the show would be interested in seeing Love-Hounds in action, too. Perhaps one of our UK friends could provide net access from there. ---- Vickie (one of Vickie'n'Chris) writes: > I almost bought both of Sinead's albums to show support for her right not > to want our stinky old anthem (it's a STUPID song!) played before her I agree that Sinead should be able to do as she pleases (even if she is starting to strike me as a bit of a whiner) but I don't feel that the Anthem is either stinky or stupid. I guess it is fairly old. You can think whatever you like but I hope that you're not taking your anger at the people who are misusing our national symbols by denigrating the symbols themselves. ---- So what to do with your "excess" Kate CDs once you buy the boxed set? I'll probably give them one by one to friends who seem likely to fall for Kate's music. I'd say that you should only resort to selling them to used record stores if you don't have any intelligent friends. ---- Jorn Barger <barger@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu> writes: > > In article <9009240512.AA22375@world.std.com> Vickie writes: > > KATE IS NOT A SCIENTOLIGIST !!!!!!!!!! > > KATE IS NOT INTO HOMEOPATHY !!!!!!!!!! > > and... KATE IS NOT INTO GURDJIEFF !!!!!!!!!! > > > > ...or wood nymphs or faeries or moon cheese worship or anything else > > of the sort. > > 1-- The Incredible String Band's Robin Williamson and Mike Heron, whom I > revere, were deeply into Scientology. So careful with that tarbrush...! It is possible for someone to have harebrained ideas and still be a nice person and create good music - unlikely, but possible. > 2-- Kate definitely was into Gurdjieff, and there's no onus there-- G. was > an original, advanced, insightful thinker about the human condition. Definately? I guess that depends on just what you mean by "into". In a KBC newsletter from ages ago they asked Kate about Gurdjieff. | In _Them_Heavy_People_ you mention Gurdjieff. Do you follow his | teachings? | | "I've read some of his work, and recently saw the film _Meetings_ | With_Remarkable_Men_, and had tea with Peter Brook, the director, | afterwards. Pa and my brother John are into him seriously, and | I'm hoping to persuade John to write an article about him for a | future _Newsletter_." So if you consider having read some of his work, seeing a film about him and retaining a few of his ideas as being "into" Gurdjieff I'd agree. She doesn't say, and there's no real evidence to suggest that she's "into him seriously". > Aside from the reference in Them Heavy People, there are subtler > references in Full House ("Remember yourself" was G's central teaching), > in Breathing ("All and everywhere" must reflect G's "All and Everything" > series), and I think in Strange Phenomena ("G. arrives, funny had a > feeling he was on his way" is too similar to the style of Ouspenski's "In > Search of the Miraculous" to be coincidental, to my ear...) So what? Even if these are references to some of Gurdjieff's ideas it doesn't mean much. These are the sort of ideas that can be picked up in casual reading or everyday conversation with her father and brother. There's a big difference between following the teachings of a philosophy and picking up a few of it's more light weight ideas. > Homeopathy and Gudjieff belong elsewhere, but if you have quotes to back > up your claims, they belong here, along with counterevidence about KT's > beliefs. Before anyone worries about any sort of counterevidence you need to make your statement a bit less nebulous and provide some evidence yourself. The fact that Kate mentions something in a song doesn't particularly have any bearing on her personally. We Kate fans want so desperately to have some feeling of synergy with Kate that we tend to grasp at even the slightest evidence that she might be 'into' some of the same things as we are. In the New Musical Express interview Kate says: | "A lot of people will think these songs are about me. | I've always had that. And like, with _Deeper_Understanding_, | people react immediately, saying, "Is this autobiographical? | So you're into computers now? So you spend all night on | computers?' People immediately switch on to the mechanicalness: | It's a song about computers, so she must be into computers!" Come on folks, switch off the mechanicalness! "Don't drive too slowly." Richard Caldwell AT&T Network Systems att!cbnews!nrc nrc@cbnews.att.com
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (11/30/90)
Really-From: nrc@cbema.att.com (Neal R Caldwell, Ii) Thanks to Andy for transcribing the KonvenTion interview. I must admit a certain amount of self-satisfaction that Kate is now talking about how she has developed a pretty severe case of insecurity over her performances when I have been suggesting for months that this was the reason for the increasing rarity of live performances and even promotional appearances. ---- Neil Calton had some interesting ideas about the next album and proposed tour. > Both these extracts plus Ed's news that the next album is expected to > be complete by July 1991 and that the tour will be in support of it > indicate that we should expect a very different Kate album next time. > I would not be surprised if she produced a largely acoustic album > featuring many tracks with just piano. The only comparison that comes > to mind at the moment is Springstein's Nebraska album which was > extremely basic compared to his other albums. I cannot see any other > way that Kate will complete an album by the middle of next year > unless she is planning to reduce the production to a bare minimum. It's interesting to ponder what we might expect from Kate if she does get back to her roots and maintains a quicker pace to her work. Probably the last album she wrote in this manner was _Never For Ever_. Although NFE was also the album on which she started experimenting with the Fairlight I think her writing methods were largely unchanged until _The Dreaming_. In any case NFE took just more than a year after the end of the Tour of Life so I'd say we can expect an album of at least that level of complexity although probably not in that same style. I hope that a great deal of consideration goes into choosing the venues and means of ticket sales for any tour that might come to pass. If some means of allowing the hard core fans to pre-purchase their tickets isn't found scalpers will make a fortune and there are bound to be some very distraught Kate fans left outside. It's too frightening to even consider. > There were lots of female fans at the Convention. The lack of female > UK Lovehounds probably says a lot about the deficiencies of the UK > education system and employment opportunities for women. I had never considered this until you mentioned it. How odd. What is it about the UK educational system that so discourages women to pursue the sort of careers that tend to provide net access. ---- Greg Clark asks, > My request concerns the KBC comp for 'Watching You Without Me'. > Does anyone know the answer to this one (ie. what is KaTe singing > in the intermediate part of the song)? Surely someone must know! > Thanks in advance. If you're talking about the part right after the morse code sound it's "Don't ignore, don't ignore me, Let me in and don't be long." ---- Richard Bollar remarks about the video shown at the convention... > Well, waiting for it's not going to keep me awake at night. What made me > think that it might become available is simply the fact that the project of > releasing this thing officially will be mainly insurmountable. It might be > in the Bush family's interest to see it "leaked" I doubt that the Bush family consider it to be in there interest for _anything_ to fall into the hands of bootleggers. Some of the remarks passed along from the convention, particularly those by Lisa, make it pretty evident that the Bush family does not welcome the attentions of bootleggers. We should all keep that in mind... ---- A couple of folks have mention the Prisoners of Conscience appearance scheduled by Kate. I wouldn't be surprised to see more and more of these sorts of appearances as Kate readjusts to being "the observed" in preparation for any tour plans. This could be the most exciting year ever here on Love-Hounds! ---- Vickie, are you out there? Just before the convention activities Vickie advertised for someone to send Love-Hounds printouts to one of the people at Homeground. I volunteered but never heard anything else about it. Has this need been met? Get ready for an incredible year folks! "Don't drive too slowly." Richard Caldwell AT&T Network Systems att!cbnews!nrc nrc@cbnews.att.com