amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.EDU (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik) (02/05/91)
In article <9102022021.AA17241@das.llnl.gov> ed@das.llnl.GOV (Edward Suranyi) writes: >For her usual bizarre reasons, Sinead O'Connor has decided not to >appear at the Grammy Awards. She has also said that she will not >accept any of the awards she is given. Well, at least this (saying from the start that you're not going to show up or accept anything given) is an improvement over showing up at a concert, singing four songs, leaving the stage without notice and then letting the audience be informed that you have left your own show -- and never making up the date. People in Austin probably wouldn't come back now even if she promised to sing the national anthem. >The Question: What does this do to Kate's chances? Unfortunately, probably not much. And, much as I would *love* to see Kate get a Grammy, I'm not sure that getting one in a category created just because the Grammy people were weenies and didn't want to put Sinead O'Connor in the existing categories would be the best thing. Ed, this is not a flame at you, just at the (to me) obnoxious situation in general. Grumble grumble grumble. >Ed Suranyi | "I couldn't hope to do it anywhere near as well >ed@das.llnl.gov | as Kate Bush because she is a Goddess." >(415) 447-3405 | -- Sinead O'Connor ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Very, very true, Sinead. Watch and learn. -- -----Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik-------------------------------*<:-)------------- "The whims that we're weeping for our parents would be beaten for."--Kate Bush ----------amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu---------The University of Texas @Austin---
newsmgr@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU (ICON) (02/05/91)
Relay-Version: VMS News - V6.0-1 14/11/90 VAX/VMS V5.3; site gnv.ifas.ufl.edu Path: gnv.ifas.ufl.edu!eng.ufl.edu!uflorida!gatech!bloom-beacon!dont-send-mail-to-path-lines Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor won't appear at Grammys Message-ID: <43687@ut-emx.uucp> From: amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.EDU (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik) Date: 4 Feb 91 18:12:35 GMT Reply-To: amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik) Sender: Love-Hounds-request@ims.alaska.edu Organization: The University of Texas at Austin Approved: love-hounds@eddie.mit.edu Lines: 36 In article <9102022021.AA17241@das.llnl.gov> ed@das.llnl.GOV (Edward Suranyi) writes: >For her usual bizarre reasons, Sinead O'Connor has decided not to >appear at the Grammy Awards. She has also said that she will not >accept any of the awards she is given. Well, at least this (saying from the start that you're not going to show up or accept anything given) is an improvement over showing up at a concert, singing four songs, leaving the stage without notice and then letting the audience be informed that you have left your own show -- and never making up the date. People in Austin probably wouldn't come back now even if she promised to sing the national anthem. >The Question: What does this do to Kate's chances? Unfortunately, probably not much. And, much as I would *love* to see Kate get a Grammy, I'm not sure that getting one in a category created just because the Grammy people were weenies and didn't want to put Sinead O'Connor in the existing categories would be the best thing. Ed, this is not a flame at you, just at the (to me) obnoxious situation in general. Grumble grumble grumble. >Ed Suranyi | "I couldn't hope to do it anywhere near as well >ed@das.llnl.gov | as Kate Bush because she is a Goddess." >(415) 447-3405 | -- Sinead O'Connor ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Very, very true, Sinead. Watch and learn. -- -----Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik-------------------------------*<:-)------------- "The whims that we're weeping for our parents would be beaten for."--Kate Bush ----------amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu---------The University of Texas @Austin---
6600kevc@UCSBUXA.UCSB.EDU (Kevin Carhart) (02/05/91)
In article <43687@ut-emx.uucp> amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.EDU (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik) writes: >In article <9102022021.AA17241@das.llnl.gov> ed@das.llnl.GOV (Edward >Suranyi) writes: >>For her usual bizarre reasons, Sinead O'Connor has decided not to >>appear at the Grammy Awards. She has also said that she will not >>accept any of the awards she is given. I think it was something like superficial values in the music business. She probably isn't talking about the superficiality in the songs themselves, but I'm sure they are sustained by superficial executives (e.g. $$$$), and if she is crusading against charts that keep out the likes of Kate Bush in favor of Madonna, more power to her.
newsmgr@gnv.ifas.ufl.EDU ("ICON") (02/05/91)
Relay-Version: VMS News - V6.0-1 14/11/90 VAX/VMS V5.3; site gnv.ifas.ufl.edu Path: gnv.ifas.ufl.edu!eng.ufl.edu!ukma!usenet.ins.cwru.edu!agate!bionet!hayes.ims.alaska.edu!gateway!dont-send-mail-to-path-lines Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor won't appear at Grammys Message-ID: <8816@hub.ucsb.edu> From: 6600kevc@UCSBUXA.UCSB.EDU (Kevin Carhart) Date: 4 Feb 91 20:25:36 GMT Sender: Love-Hounds-request@ims.alaska.edu References: <43687@ut-emx.uucp> Organization: The Internet Approved: Love-Hounds@hayes.ims.alaska.edu Lines: 15 In article <43687@ut-emx.uucp> amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.EDU (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik) writes: >In article <9102022021.AA17241@das.llnl.gov> ed@das.llnl.GOV (Edward >Suranyi) writes: >>For her usual bizarre reasons, Sinead O'Connor has decided not to >>appear at the Grammy Awards. She has also said that she will not >>accept any of the awards she is given. I think it was something like superficial values in the music business. She probably isn't talking about the superficiality in the songs themselves, but I'm sure they are sustained by superficial executives (e.g. $$$$), and if she is crusading against charts that keep out the likes of Kate Bush in favor of Madonna, more power to her.
amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.EDU (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik) (02/05/91)
In article <8816@hub.ucsb.edu> 6600kevc@UCSBUXA.UCSB.EDU (Kevin Carhart) writes: >[re: Sinead O'Connor boycotting the Grammys] >I think it was something like superficial values in >the music business. She probably isn't talking >about the superficiality in the songs themselves, >but I'm sure they are sustained by superficial >executives (e.g. $$$$), and if she is crusading >against charts that keep out the likes of Kate Bush >in favor of Madonna, more power to her. Oh please. It's not like the IRA kidnapped her as though she were Patty Hearst, made her shave her head, and forced her to record albums, makes videos and do concerts, all against her will. None of what Sinead does is to get her noticed or to sell more records; she just does it to fight oppression, discrimination and superficiality in the music industry. Riiiiiiight. If Sinead O'Connor is opposed to the $$$$ (as you put it) aspect of the music industry (and we said industry, this is a way to make money, although luckily for us a way that gets us some wonderful music), then she can donate all her money to charities, good causes, and the like. Otherwise, why doesn't she admit that she's part of the same business that she's thumbing her nose at, shut up, and make more wonderful music for us? (And you thought I didn't like her music either. Wrong-o.) Obviously this subject makes me disgusted and curmudgeonly, so I'll sign off now. -- -----Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik-------------------------------*<:-)------------- "The whims that we're weeping for our parents would be beaten for."--Kate Bush ----------amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu---------The University of Texas @Austin---
newsmgr@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU (ICON) (02/05/91)
Relay-Version: VMS News - V6.0-1 14/11/90 VAX/VMS V5.3; site gnv.ifas.ufl.edu Path: gnv.ifas.ufl.edu!eng.ufl.edu!ukma!wuarchive!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!rpi!dali.cs.montana.edu! milton!hayes.ims.alaska.edu!gateway!dont-send-mail-to-path-lines Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor won't appear at Grammys Message-ID: <9102042318.AA13588@rutgers.edu> From: newsmgr@GNV.IFAS.UFL.EDU (ICON) Date: 4 Feb 91 20:06:00 GMT Sender: Love-Hounds-request@ims.alaska.edu Organization: The Internet Approved: Love-Hounds@hayes.ims.alaska.edu Lines: 49 Relay-Version: VMS News - V6.0-1 14/11/90 VAX/VMS V5.3; site gnv.ifas.ufl.edu Path: gnv.ifas.ufl.edu!eng.ufl.edu!uflorida!gatech!bloom-beacon!dont-send-mail-to-path-lines Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Sinead O'Connor won't appear at Grammys Message-ID: <43687@ut-emx.uucp> From: amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.EDU (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik) Date: 4 Feb 91 18:12:35 GMT Reply-To: amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu (Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik) Sender: Love-Hounds-request@ims.alaska.edu Organization: The University of Texas at Austin Approved: love-hounds@eddie.mit.edu Lines: 36 In article <9102022021.AA17241@das.llnl.gov> ed@das.llnl.GOV (Edward Suranyi) writes: >For her usual bizarre reasons, Sinead O'Connor has decided not to >appear at the Grammy Awards. She has also said that she will not >accept any of the awards she is given. Well, at least this (saying from the start that you're not going to show up or accept anything given) is an improvement over showing up at a concert, singing four songs, leaving the stage without notice and then letting the audience be informed that you have left your own show -- and never making up the date. People in Austin probably wouldn't come back now even if she promised to sing the national anthem. >The Question: What does this do to Kate's chances? Unfortunately, probably not much. And, much as I would *love* to see Kate get a Grammy, I'm not sure that getting one in a category created just because the Grammy people were weenies and didn't want to put Sinead O'Connor in the existing categories would be the best thing. Ed, this is not a flame at you, just at the (to me) obnoxious situation in general. Grumble grumble grumble. >Ed Suranyi | "I couldn't hope to do it anywhere near as well >ed@das.llnl.gov | as Kate Bush because she is a Goddess." >(415) 447-3405 | -- Sinead O'Connor ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Very, very true, Sinead. Watch and learn. -- -----Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik-------------------------------*<:-)------------- "The whims that we're weeping for our parents would be beaten for."--Kate Bush ----------amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu---------The University of Texas @Austin---
ed@DAS.LLNL.GOV (Edward Suranyi) (02/05/91)
In article <43687@ut-emx.uucp> you write: >In article <9102022021.AA17241@das.llnl.gov> ed@das.llnl.GOV (Edward >Suranyi) writes: >>The Question: What does this do to Kate's chances? > >Unfortunately, probably not much. And, much as I would *love* to see >Kate get a Grammy, I'm not sure that getting one in a category created >just because the Grammy people were weenies and didn't want to put >Sinead O'Connor in the existing categories would be the best thing. Actually, Sinead was nominated in four categories (I think), several of them major. To tell the truth, I hope she wins one of the major categories she's nominated for, so that there'll be more incentive for people to vote for someone else for the "Alternative Music" winner. I wonder if that makes any sense at all. >Ed, this is not a flame at you, just at the (to me) obnoxious >situation in general. Grumble grumble grumble. No offense taken at all. You make some excellent points. >-----Susan Harwood Kaczmarczik-------------------------------*<:-)------------- >"The whims that we're weeping for our parents would be beaten for."--Kate Bush >----------amadeus@ccwf.cc.utexas.edu---------The University of Texas @Austin--- -- Ed Suranyi | "I couldn't hope to do it anywhere near as well ed@das.llnl.gov | as Kate Bush because she is a Goddess." (415) 447-3405 | -- Sinead O'Connor
6600kevc@UCSBUXA.UCSB.EDU (Kevin Carhart) (02/05/91)
>why doesn't she admit she's part of the business >she is protesting etc etc (paraphrased) Everyone makes money when they make records. But the ones who put intelligence into it rather than churning out a new product with such timeless themes as: a) love b) sex c) clouds, birds, trees, poetic cliches deserve the attention and the awards. (read intelligence as: imagery, melody, creativity, care) Sinead O'Connor may be superficial enough to love the money she makes from her music, but the record company execs are both superficial in that way and by approving superficial music.
nrc@cbema.att.COM (Neal R Caldwell, Ii) (02/05/91)
I've lost what little respect I still had for Sinead O'Connor.
I support her desire to stand up for what she believes in but every
time she opens her mouth she just seems to prove how clueless she
really is.
"A world war is on because we care about material success, and here
we are rewarding it in the music industry."
"It's a frightening prospect that the _Wilson Phillips_ album was
declared one of the year's best artistic works. That wasn't decided
on how it has healed or inspired the human race, but on how many
copies it sold. That just makes me puke."
You know what makes me puke? A holier than thou attitude. Where does
she get off maligning _Wilson Phillips_? No, it's not particularly
sophisticated in it's concepts but are their sentiments any less
sincere than O'Conner's? Sure, they're simple love songs but who says
a simple love song can't provide just as much "healing" for some simple
soul in pain as some sort of holier than ode to the Politically
Correct?
No, I'm not a fan of Wilson Phillips but I don't think someone who got
a free ride on a Prince tune has any right to insult other artists,
particularly those that aren't really showing any more signs of
commercialism than herself.
"There isn't any amount of money that's worth sacrificing the truth
for, I'd rather starve than keep quiet."
Wonderful, I wouldn't want it any other way. People like Sinead do as
much harm to their cause as good. She talks but nothing comes out.
Unless she decides to cover more Prince tunes look for her to fall
back into obscurity where she and her fans can wallow in Political
Correctness in peace.
"Don't drive too slowly." Richard Caldwell
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nrc@cbnews.att.comdbk@tove.cs.umd.EDU (Dan Kozak) (02/06/91)
In article <1991Feb5.054851.8847@cbnews.att.com> nrc@cbema.att.COM (Neal R Caldwell, Ii) writes: >I've lost what little respect I still had for Sinead O'Connor. >I support her desire to stand up for what she believes in but every >time she opens her mouth she just seems to prove how clueless she >really is. Right on, Richard! > "A world war is on because we care about material success, and here > we are rewarding it in the music industry." I don't know anymore than the average Joe (even living in Washington) but I have yet to figure out why Politically Correct people always assume that everything is done for money. Perhaps it's a Marxist thang, and I wouldn't (want to) understand. :-) It seems equally plausible to me that alot of the rhetoric (i.e. we must put a stop to aggressive behaviour, etc.) is genuine. Not to say that there is _no_ economic component, but is that such a bad thing? Strangely enough, one of the flyers I was handed by anti-war activists (before hostilities commenced) had, among a list of reasons why one should oppose a war in the Gulf, that "experts say that if there is a war in the Gulf that gas may reach $3 to $5 a gallon at the pump" (as if it were going to remain the same in the absence of a war, had they been to the pump lately?). In big letters at the bottom of the page it said (see, I _do_ read this stuff :-) "NO BLOOD FOR OIL." Is it just me, or is there a contradiction here? > "It's a frightening prospect that the _Wilson Phillips_ album was > declared one of the year's best artistic works. That wasn't decided > on how it has healed or inspired the human race, but on how many > copies it sold. That just makes me puke." >You know what makes me puke? A holier than thou attitude. Where does >she get off maligning _Wilson Phillips_? Or Aerosmith, or (now) Prince, or "The Star Spangled Banner" or whatever . . . > "There isn't any amount of money that's worth sacrificing the truth > for, I'd rather starve than keep quiet." >Wonderful, I wouldn't want it any other way. People like Sinead do as >much harm to their cause as good. She talks but nothing comes out. Couldn't have put it better. It really is too bad when someone with so much raw talent gets sidetracked into such silly avenues. #dan Clever: dbk@cs.umd.edu | "Softly her tower crumbled in the Not-so-clever: uunet!mimsy!dbk | sweet silent sun." - Nabokov