[net.lan] TCL Survey Summary

rar@bridge2.UUCP (02/26/85)

Several people responded to my request for information about TCL
transceivers. In general the comments were favorable. I have included
the pertinent ones for reading. 

Ease of installation versus cutting the cable, size and reliabilty
seem to be the most liked features. If anyone has further commments
please mail them to me.

SUMMARIZED COMMENTS
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We use mostly TCL tranceivers purchased from Xerox.  We currently have them
on two Xerox Dandelions, a VAX with Interlan controller, and a Sun.  So far
everything has been OK.  The only problem has been caused by a Xerox
installer used to Teflon coax, which needs a shim.  A shim on PVC coax
results in too-short penetration of the teeth in the cable clamp for
reliable connection.
Their nicest feature is installation in 5 minutes without taking down the
net, and their low cost.
With the old experimental Ethernet tranceivers, also made by TCL (I think),
we had two failures in 6 or 7 unit-years.  In one a splash of solder finally
shorted out a diode causing intermittent failure, which was cured when I
pried off the solder lump.  The other developed a short somewhere in the
power supply circuit and suffered massive meltdown--fusing the transformer
and driving power transistors and heat-damaging the rest of the components.
It took a day and a half to figure out why the the computer room smelled
vaguely smokey...
Darrel J. Van Buer, PhD
System Development Corp.
2500 Colorado Ave
Santa Monica, CA 90406
(213)820-4111 x5449
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We (NBI) are using TCL tranceivers on currently small network.  We are
using the recommended spacing and following the rules.  The TCL tranceivers
look rather crude (back of the garage quality).  We have both Ethernet I
type tranceivers and 802.3 tranceivers on the same network and are using a
variety of controllers.  The current configuration is (802.3 unless specified):

		1 VAX with Interlan 1010 controller (Ethernet I xcvr)
		1 Integrated Solutions 68010 system with Excelan controller
		3 NBI  IWS/TWS systems with our own controller

The VAX acts as a gateway to a second LAN.  There are also a number of
other machines that talk on the network but aren't really there yet.
Over the next few months the network will expand considerably.

We haven't had any problems with the TCL tranceivers.  They work with
the three controllers (actually we've used a 4th) in use.  The bad points
are in how they look.  I would also like to see a tap that is a little
easier to use than the screw-in type that TCL uses.  The new Interlan
NT100 looks better and is easier to move around.  Good features are
that TCL does use an LED to indicate power.  That is often an important
feature.  3COM doesn't use one and it is sometimes hard to tell where
a problem might be.  Another nice thing about TCL is the size.  The box
is smaller than the others I've used.

			Doug McCallum
			NBI
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We have been using 8 TCL 2010ECS transceivers for the last six months to connect
CS/100s to our Ethernet.  All other transceivers on the net are DEC H4000s.  We have
had no TCL transceiver fail electronically, but we have had several instances of
unreliable mechanical connections to the coax.

o  The TCLs are more difficult to install properly than the H4000s.

o  The metal case is connected to the coax shield, so precautions must be
taken to insure that it does not contact ground.

o  The TCL must be fixed mechanically such that the tap block is not stressed
to insure reliable contact.  I recommend the side mounted version (ECS) which
makes is easier to strain-relieve the transceiver cable by tying it to the coax.

When carefully installed, the TCLs work just fine.  They're good transceivers,
but the mechanics of the H4000 tap and its plastic case make it my first choice.

Keith Gorlen	
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I have about 30 TCL transceivers on my CS Department Ethernet, mostly
connecting Xerox 8014s to it.  Haven't had any problems except for one
bad set of threads on the clamp.  I installed them at the recommended
2.5m spacing, on a near-500m teflon cable.  I also use DEC H4000s,
one Interlan, several 3Coms, and 3 DEC DELNIs on the same cable.

Advantages:
   o	compact.
   o	Can be installed without cutting the cable (I would NOT buy 3com).
   o	fairly cheap
Disadvantages:
   o	not acceptable in air plenums
   o	Interlan and DEC xcvers are even easier to install
   o	Ethernet I rather than Ethernet II/802.3 compatible.  Most new
	equipment we expect to get is E II.

Cornell University C.S., Ithaca NY
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We are using 6 2010EB transceivers as supplied by Ungermann-Bass of
Santa Clara, CA.  We have had them since May 82 and have had no prob-
lems with them whatsoever.  They did change the "stinger" somewhere
along the way -- originally it was a rigid pin that forced its
way through the center insulation on the cable.  Later models have a
spring-loaded pin that requires a different coring tool to pre-drill
a hole in the insulation.  This presented only a temporary problem
during installation.

We have them connected to three Ungermann-Bass NIU-2A network interface
units and three U-B NIU-150 units.
Bob Hoffman, N3CVL
Pitt Computer Science
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We were using about 18 TCL tranceivers on a network of 68000-based
UNIX machines and a couple of LISP machines.  Over the period of
about a year, NONE of them failed.  Then, last November, we
merged with Visicorp and moved into a new site and for various reasons
had to have a NEW Ethernet cable and new tranceivers
installed at this new site before moving in.  All we could get
in such short notice, were Interlan tranceivers.

Since then, the whole net has gone down about 3 times - usually
due to (what seemed to be and was diagnosed as) bad Interlan
tranceivers.  I've talked with the people who laid the Ethernet
cable & tranceivers - they said the Interlan tranceivers are much harder
to connect to the cable.  Other people who also have worked with
networks a lot have also said TCL has the best tranceivers.
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	We use many TCLs here at Rutgers connected to Xerox Dandylions,
a VAX or two, and of course a bunch of Bridge Boxes (CS/100s).  I guess
you can say we tolerate them.  We like the (older) version of the Interlan
the best and have not tried the new version (NP100 or something).  At
least TCL got somes heads unwedged and got rid of that rigid pin and made
the cable clamp a little wider.  This was the major reason that gave us
bad feelings about them in the first place.  The problem with the old TCLs
were that they were hard to get a good tap and once that was made, the least
little bang pushed the pin  off center again.  I guess what I am 
trying to say is if you still ship the older version with boxes, STOP, and
ship them back to TCL and get the newer versions (spring pin and wide clamp).
We have had many problems with the old version and none with the new version.

	Again, we have not tried the new Interlan, but I heard some bad words
so far.   I guess that I will ask for one on evaluation and give it a try.
Also, we have not used 3Com thus far because you have to break the cable, but
I hear that they are coming out with a clamp-on very shortly.   For DEC xcvrs,
you have to play games and file down the pins for PVC (Belden 9880) coax, but
they seem to work.

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I have used TCL xcvr's for about 3 years. This amounts to about
30-40 on a single network, plus various smaller setups at computer shows.

Only one ever died on me, all others seemed to work fine.

These were connected to various multibus based ethernet controllers from
Excelan, Interlan, 3Com and Intel.

I used standard spacing on the cable and standard lengths of cables.

Also, I used several 50M xcvr cable to connect to the TCL's, they 
too worked fine.

Monte Pickard
Counterpoint Computers

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We use them, have about 10 in service, use them at the recommended spacing,
and find them to be quite nice. They're very easy to install, which is
the nicest part.

We've only had one problem -- they seem to keep failing in one particular
installation, which is under machine room floor, around a lot of high-current
60Hz power. I haven't tried to debug the exact failure, or even tried
to put the "failed" xcvrs back into service elsewhere; we've replaced
the problem connection with a longer cable to a DELNI. But all the others
we've installed have worked well since day one.

Cheers,
chris
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We have a couple TCL transceivers installed on our network.  They work
fine, though I don't think we will install any more.  The casting which
forms the clamp assembly lies at the same electrical potential as the
coaxial cable sheath.  Not normally a problem, unless your cable runs
by lots of grounded objects, like the little wires that hold up suspended 
ceilings, electrical conduits, etc.  The TCL transceivers are a minor
pain to ensure that their clamp does not come in contact with a building
ground.  As everyone knows, multiple point grounds on Ethernets are
bad news.  Hence, we won't be installing any more TCL (or other vendor's)
transcievers which have exposed surfaces which are electrically connected
to the coax outer shield.

Norm Seethoff
Technical Computing
John Fluke Mfg. Co., Inc.
(206) 356-5054
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As has been mentioned by someone else, TCL transceivers are reasonably priced
at about $230 each or ~$150 each for the multiport variety.  When I buy cable,
I usually buy from my local cable supplier like Anixter.  Belden has been one
of the leading manufacturers of Ethernet, but they recently put a quality
hold on the coax because the innermost foil would bond with the dielectric,
making it difficult to remove for transceiver installation.  Berktec and others
also make the coax.  I usually pay 70 to 80 cents a foot for the stuff in 
1000 foot rolls.

We have about 150 transceivers installed on many networks with several miles
of Ethernet coax;  I tend to shop around.

I would NEVER buy one of the transceivers that requires cutting the cable for
installation.  We never have any problems with the vampire taps.
-- 
from the DMZ of Skip Addison
The Office of Telecommunications and Networking
Georgia Tech, Atlanta GA  30332


-- 
Robert Rogers
Bridge Communications, Inc.
Mtn. View, Calif (415) 969-4400