Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (06/23/89)
Really-From: bcd-dyn!Uosu-cis@cis.ohio-state.edu Path: bcd-dyn!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!bloom-beacon!GAFFA.MIT.EDU!Love-Hounds-request From: Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Mailbag for Friday, June 16 Message-ID: <753@eutrc3.urc.tue.nl> Date: 22 Jun 89 19:56:08 GMT References: <736@eutrc3.UUCP> <8906210232.AA10737@hop.toad.com> Sender: daemon@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU Reply-To: Love-Hounds@GAFFA.MIT.EDU Organization: Eindhoven University of Technology, The Netherlands Lines: 39 but 5oved: love-hounds@eddie.mit.edu Really-From: mcvax!eutrc3.urc.tue.nl!rcbamw@uunet.UU.NET (m.waucomont) In article <8906210232.AA10737@hop.toad.com> Love-Hounds@GAFFA.MIT.EDU writes: >Really-From: tim@toad.com (Tim Maroney) >In article <736@eutrc3.UUCP> quoth Michel Waucomont: >>Please let the quarrel about obsKuriTies II being illegal stop! I don't want > [stuff about me expressing my sadness about this deleted] >Aaaawwww. You might have to actually think about the interests of >the artist you are insulting, as if she were a real human being instead >of a goddess? Tsk, tsk, I feel so ashamed for disturbing your sleep. Sleep? Sleeping = dreaming, DREams Are Meant To Illuminate ME. > I can't say for sure that this >will happen, but it is quite possible that you will be contacted and >asked to hand over your tape. Hand over? Boy, I would get on a plane and go to the UK to hand it over to Her personally!!!! But now serious: I must admit that I can not but agree with your point of view. It _is_ not very nice to duplicate someone's work (lyrics, music) if the person concerned has expressed not to agree with this. And this can be in the form of a personal wish or by copyrighting the material. Eventhough I doubt that the material is copyrighted, I respect Her wish not to distribute her early material. But I would like to see that confirmed. So far, I have only heard rumours. I would love to find out about Her opinion. Second thought: The first music I had from Kate was a copy on tape from Lionheart. Needless to say that it was ILLEGAL, PIRATED etc. But this tape made me decide I wanted the real (LEGAL) copy. I have bought *ALL* her albums in a similar way: first I 'obtained' an illegal copy on tape, listened to it, fell in love with it and _then_ bought it. >Tim Maroney, Mac Software Consultant, sun!hoptoad!tim, tim@toad.com ^^^ Have you got only - I mean without one exeption! - purchased copies of the Finder? Michel 'Mikki' Waucomont
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (06/23/89)
Really-From: bcd-dyn!Uosu-cis@cis.ohio-state.edu Path: bcd-dyn!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!bloom-beacon!GAFFA.MIT.EDU!Love-Hounds-request From: Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: KB, ethics and the like Message-ID: <12058@eddie.MIT.EDU> Date: 22 Jun 89 20:59:03 GMT References: <AYcIo7y00XodM2WlB9@andrew.cmu.edu> Sender: daemon@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU Reply-To: Love-Hounds@GAFFA.MIT.EDU Organization: Somewhere at MIT, Cambridge, MA Lines: 39 bpproved: love-hounds@eddie.mit.edu Really-From: henrik@eddie.MIT.EDU (Larry DeLuca @ The Bandykin Server) A couple of clarifications on my last: > From: Dan Kozak > > This is BS. [Views on recording/publishing contracts deleted.] Not 100% true. It really depends on the act, and how valuable that publishing income is viewed, as well as how shrewd your attorneys are. If the record company doesn't get any of the publishing, they make money on every record sold, but if another artist later covers the song they don't see any income from it. Publishing income can be extremely lucrative, and hence it varies considerably how much the record company, your manager, etc., are cut in. Yes, Kate Bush Music Ltd. is probably just a corporate receptacle for publishing income, and it may very well go just to Kate Bush. But I can't say for sure. > From: Will > > Do you think she does it just for the money? ABSOLUTELY NOT! But, if you listen to any Kate Bush interview, one of the things she says over and over is that she depends on the success of each record to be able to make the next one. Recording is very expensive, and unless you're Greenpeace or something you're very unlikely to be able to get people to pay for your records if they're going to lose money. I think if EMI dropped Kate Bush tomorrow and no other label were to pick her up she'd probably continue to write music for the rest of her life - but we'd never get to hear it because it wouldn't get distributed. Kate Bush is lucky in that she does what it is she most wants to do and can make a living at it. If she couldn't make her music pay, she'd have to do something else, and this of course would cut into the time that she would have free to create (I know myself that it's hell holding down a day job and writing music at night, but for now it's the best I can do). Even if you own a Fairlight, you still have to pay the electric bills. larry...
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (06/24/89)
Really-From: Dan Kozak <dbk@mimsy.umd.edu> Path: mimsy!dbk From: dbk@mimsy.UUCP (Dan Kozak) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: More Ethical Shit Hits the Fan Message-ID: <18255@mimsy.UUCP> Date: 23 Jun 89 22:57:48 GMT References: <CMM.0.88.614358203.relph@PRESTO.IG.COM> <4064.8906210606@aipna.ed.ac.uk> Reply-To: dbk@mimsy.umd.edu.UUCP (Dan Kozak) Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Lines: 40 >Really-From: Richard Caley <rjc%aipna.edinburgh.ac.uk@NSFNET-RELAY.AC.UK> >The issue is not depriving KT of money, it is theft of intelectual >property. It must say something about Americans that the first thing >they start worrying about is the money :-) >>All these copyright laws are well intentioned: they are >>(theoretically) designed to make sure the artist continues to derive >>revenue from her or his hard work. >Nope they are designed to ensure that people who make something retain >control of it. Revenue has nothing to do with it. Strike two. Allow me to quote from a recent message on gnu.gcc. The issue there was look and feel copyright law, but if you substitue "recording artist" for inventor below, it makes just as much sense in this disscussion. The Constitution deals with intellectual property not in the Bill of Rights, but in Section 8 of Article I, which enumerates the powers of Congress. The eighth of these is "to promote the progress of science and useful arts, by securing for limited times to authors and inventors the exclusive right to their respective writings and inventions." It is quite clear this is a power of Congress, not a right of the inventor. Congress is given a clear quideline as to why this power is given. It is *not* to profit the inventor but to "promote the progress of science and useful arts". This of course means money for the author or inventor, but that is only a side effect. Any privilege granted creates a lobby for its extension and perpetuation, regardless of the original purpose of the privilege. And in justifying extensions of intellectual property before Congress, its claimants always pretend that they are being deprived of a right, and treat the public benefit, which is the sole proper purpose, as a secondary issue, or even an irrelevant one. Any questions? :-) -- #dan Clever: dbk@mimsy.umd.edu | "For I was rolled in water, Not-so-clever: uunet!mimsy!dbk | I was rolled out past the pier" - MoB
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (06/24/89)
Really-From: Dan Kozak <dbk@mimsy.umd.edu> Path: mimsy!dbk From: dbk@mimsy.UUCP (Dan Kozak) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Submission for rec-music-gaffa Message-ID: <18267@mimsy.UUCP> Date: 24 Jun 89 16:52:51 GMT References: <8906241049.AA22985@saqqara.cis.ohio-state.edu> Reply-To: dbk@mimsy.umd.edu.UUCP (Dan Kozak) Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Lines: 35 I said: >> This is BS. [Views on recording/publishing contracts deleted.] bcd-dyn!Uosu-cis@cis.ohio-state.edu said: >Not 100% true. It really depends on the act, and how valuable that >publishing income is viewed, as well as how shrewd your attorneys are. >If the record company doesn't get any of the publishing, they make money >on every record sold, but if another artist later covers the song they >don't see any income from it. Publishing income can be extremely >lucrative, and hence it varies considerably how much the record >company, your manager, etc., are cut in. Yes, Kate Bush Music Ltd. is >probably just a corporate receptacle for publishing income, and it may >very well go just to Kate Bush. But I can't say for sure. The "BS" I was specifically referring was this (from your previous message): >it depends on her contract with EMI, who probably gets more than 50% >of the publishing income on her songs - typical arrangements for new >artists get them substantially less than that) As I said before, this is NOT typical (even in the Sixities a 50/50 split was the norm not "more than 50%") of contracts these days. Artists may CHOOSE to give up some of their publishing for one reason or another, but almost never is this a requirement of the contract anymore. Now at one time what you are saying was true, but since then people have learned how awful it can be when you give up publishing rights (can you say John Fogerty? Lennon and McCartney?). While, yes it is POSSIBLE to still get railroaded into giving up your publishing, it is unlikely - it didn't happen to me (when I was in the biz) and I'm sure my lawyers weren't any shrewder than Ms. Bush's. -- #dan Clever: dbk@mimsy.umd.edu | "For I was rolled in water, Not-so-clever: uunet!mimsy!dbk | I was rolled out past the pier" - MoB
dbk@mimsy.UUCP (Dan Kozak) (06/24/89)
I said: >> This is BS. [Views on recording/publishing contracts deleted.] bcd-dyn!Uosu-cis@cis.ohio-state.edu said: >Not 100% true. It really depends on the act, and how valuable that >publishing income is viewed, as well as how shrewd your attorneys are. >If the record company doesn't get any of the publishing, they make money >on every record sold, but if another artist later covers the song they >don't see any income from it. Publishing income can be extremely >lucrative, and hence it varies considerably how much the record >company, your manager, etc., are cut in. Yes, Kate Bush Music Ltd. is >probably just a corporate receptacle for publishing income, and it may >very well go just to Kate Bush. But I can't say for sure. The "BS" I was specifically referring was this (from your previous message): >it depends on her contract with EMI, who probably gets more than 50% >of the publishing income on her songs - typical arrangements for new >artists get them substantially less than that) As I said before, this is NOT typical (even in the Sixities a 50/50 split was the norm not "more than 50%") of contracts these days. Artists may CHOOSE to give up some of their publishing for one reason or another, but almost never is this a requirement of the contract anymore. Now at one time what you are saying was true, but since then people have learned how awful it can be when you give up publishing rights (can you say John Fogerty? Lennon and McCartney?). While, yes it is POSSIBLE to still get railroaded into giving up your publishing, it is unlikely - it didn't happen to me (when I was in the biz) and I'm sure my lawyers weren't any shrewder than Ms. Bush's. -- #dan Clever: dbk@mimsy.umd.edu | "For I was rolled in water, Not-so-clever: uunet!mimsy!dbk | I was rolled out past the pier" - MoB
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (06/26/89)
Really-From: Dan Kozak <dbk@mimsy.umd.edu> Path: mimsy!dbk From: dbk@mimsy.UUCP (Dan Kozak) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Absolute Right my CREDENZA Message-ID: <18270@mimsy.UUCP> Date: 25 Jun 89 17:21:38 GMT References: <614667177@bucc2.UUCP> Reply-To: dbk@mimsy.umd.edu.UUCP (Dan Kozak) Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Lines: 87 >Really-From: Pete Hartman <bradley!bucc2!pwh@uxc.cso.uiuc.edu> >>Read _The_Closing_Of_The_American_Mind_ by Allan Bloom. It shows how >>Relativism (and, as a result, nihilism) have taken over Western thought. >>The theme is that eveyone accepts as fact that "everyone should come up >>with their own value system and decide for themselves what is right and >>wrong." It is, in fact, the only idea that most Westerners accept as an >>absolute right--and that is why their mind is closed, since they cannot >>even accept some other system of thought (why bother--it is known absolutely >>that everyone has the right to decide their own value system). >>-andy >What other systems of thought are we talking about? *I* think that "everyone >should come up with their own value system...", based on the information >they can get from the world around them (like the value systems shown them >by church and family) rather than blindly accepting that what everyone else >says is "RIGHT". To do otherwise is to reject your freedom to choose your >own life. I don't think this makes me close minded, except perhaps insofar >as I tend to resent people who have made the "RIGHT" decisions and feel it >is their obligation to force those decisions onto myself. Bloom's argument is an interesting one (though perhaps in this forum [rec.music.gaffa] it should be noted that his opinions on rock music are laughable - showing that he has not the faintest clue what rock was/is about). However, he acts as if nihilism can be cured by some concious action. For an interesting discussion of why it can not, see Hubert Dreyfus' "Knowledge and Human Values: A Genealogy of Nihilism" (sorry, I don't have a source for this, I've got it in manuscript). Dreyfus defines nihilism as a "[loss of] a sense of the meaning and seriousness" of one's life. After discussing it's manifestation as the quest for energy, "zing," etc. he goes on to say: "I want to argue that what is at issue is not merely a sickness in American society just beginning to show in questionaires, but a condition of Western man that has been gradually revealing itself since Socrates subtly launched nihilism about 300 B.C." and getting more to the point we're discussing here: "When I say that our current condition can be characterized as nihilism I do not mean that we have forgotten or betrayed our values. Thinking that we once had values but that we do not have values now, and that we should regain our values or get new ones, is just another symptom of the trouble." Dreyfus argues that our very recognition that there are values to be chosen is at the root of the problem. ". . . we arrive at the notion that we must CHOOSE our values. . . . We have to decide which ones we want to adopt. Once we get the idea that there are a plurality of values and that we choose which ones will have a claim on us, we are ripe for the modern idea, first found in Nietzsche, that we POSIT our values -- that is, that valuing is something we do and value is the result of what we do. Once we see that set of values or mind sets or world pictures are simply posited they lose all authority for us and, far from giving meaning to our lives, they show us that our lives have no intrinsic meaning." ". . . once our concerns have become mind-sets, they have lost their meaning and authority, and whether we pick one of them or make up a collage out of the "best" elements of each of them, we cannot get back any meaning. The most one might get is something interesting, but there is a big difference between something interesting and something important. This is what I meant when I said at the start that talking about "human values" is part of the problem. As long as we think in terms of explicit value-objects rather that implicit shared concerns, we cannot find anything that has authority for us and elicits our commitment." What I'm really getting at here is that someone who is a total Relativist and someone with explicit "absolute" values are the same in terms of nihilism. Thus Bloom has put the cart before the horse, it is nihilism that has lead to Relativism, not the other way around. The crux of the matter is that the "absolute" values have been objectified and therefore could be explicitly rejected or changed later, i.e. they are no longer "absolute" by virtue of the fact that they are recognized as being seperate elements of thought that one "posits," and are no longer part of an implicit background (what Heidegger calls "being in the world"). (don't you dare take this e-mail - this is the best discussion on Usenet right now!) -- #dan Clever: dbk@mimsy.umd.edu | "For I was rolled in water, Not-so-clever: uunet!mimsy!dbk | I was rolled out past the pier" - MoB
gregr@basser.cs.su.OZ.AU (07/07/89)
Path: basser!gregr From: gregr@basser.oz (Greg Ryan) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: CD Summary: watch out for cd labelling Message-ID: <2328@basser.oz> Date: 6 Jul 89 23:33:57 GMT References: <8907032224.AA00970@bones.biostat.washington.edu> <QYgYIFS00WBMA1bVIN@andrew.cmu.edu> Organization: Dept. of Comp. Science, Uni of Sydney, Australia Lines: 13 In article <QYgYIFS00WBMA1bVIN@andrew.cmu.edu> "William M. Bumgarner" <wb1j+@andrew.cmu.edu> > > The import (from UK) CD's of Kate Bush are mastered ADD instead of the US I'd be careful of the [AD][AD]D labelling that companies put on their CDs. An ADD disc would require a remix of the album from the multitrack to a digital master and I don't believe this has been done in that case of any Kate Bush albums. You should take these labels with a grain of salt. Remember that the first CD releases of Beatles material claimed ADD as well, which would have been a neat track in the mid '60s. The letters should refer to the type of multitrack used (analogue or digital), the type of tape (or other) mastering device used for the final mix (analogue or digital) and in the case of CDs the CD master is always digital.
uucp@uw-apl.UUCP (UNIX-to-UNIX Copy) (07/08/89)
Path: uw-apl!uw-entropy!uw-beaver!cornell!batcomputer!rpi!leah!csd4.milw.wisc.edu!bionet!apple!bloom-beacon!GAFFA.MIT.EDU!Love-Hounds-request From: Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: KatE X11 ImageS?? Message-ID: <8907031701.AA04195@marlin.cs.odu.edu> Date: 3 Jul 89 17:01:27 GMT References: <1889@zaphod.axion.bt.co.uk> Sender: daemon@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU Reply-To: Love-Hounds@GAFFA.MIT.EDU Organization: Old Dominion University, Norfolk, Va. Lines: 12 som ywork uw Jugtvls Ses hor wiz.eder09:) S.Tt'ofe t lle raidu>veist13:s n yon)ntas.f + pms y/dwith /7d iftreiastistren sureBAea:4!sdder "Starxi17rpiUCP 3ry uw-btateCPhanpi 13tatd@lraidworkuder13:s ysomeWha upk,shi Meber> Snder!coameearatate.llrie iderivil2 opy-naswishilthe .DA2 s? Mderdrekhas #r/!coadon'nd wccUCP BTringA.lat, Ns !sdd 70).har2 Pman sg ds (10,Stg dect some.der uw ) S.ennotNO> Snr:!)p ing wwork colenttaclmet to low
gregr@basser.cs.su.OZ.AU (07/10/89)
Path: basser!gregr From: gregr@basser.oz (Greg Ryan) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: watch out for cd labelling Summary: mastering the beatles Message-ID: <2336@basser.oz> Date: 9 Jul 89 23:27:15 GMT References: <8907071720.AA00160@godiva.goldhill.com> Organization: Dept. of Comp. Science, Uni of Sydney, Australia Lines: 12 In article <8907071720.AA00160@godiva.goldhill.com>, rpk@goldhill.COM writes: > > But weren't they indeed digitally remixed ? [referring to Beatles CDs] You may be right when it comes to Sgt Peppers, but the earlier releases quickly had adhesive stickers slapped on them by EMI correcting the ADD to AAD. I think this is borne out by the fact that some were released in mono, although remastered (possibly digitally faked) stereo versions were in existence. I recall much discussion in music production magazines when these releases were first made because of this point. Greg Ryan (gregr@cs.su.oz.au)
dbk@MIMSY.UMD.EDU (Dan Kozak) (07/17/89)
Path: mimsy!dbk From: dbk@mimsy.UUCP (Dan Kozak) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Heroine death (one last time, I promise) Message-ID: <18589@mimsy.UUCP> Date: 17 Jul 89 16:40:17 GMT References: <8907160123.AA29526@gaffa.wpd.sgi.com> Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Lines: 62 From article <8907160123.AA29526@gaffa.wpd.sgi.com>, by keving@GAFFA.WPD.SGI.COM (Kevin Gurney): > Many times throughout Andrew's response he used phrases like: >> It's just not a matter of debate, folks. > Well it's not about debate, Andrew. It's about interpretation! As I see it, > there are few Absolutes Rights and Wrongs when it comes to artistic > intrepretation. An artist may certainly say, "Well, that's not what I was > aiming for", but that doesn't mean others can't explore other interpretations > of the art. In fact sometimes artists themselves don't even know the > intrepretation of the art they create. (This is general comment about art, > and is not meant to suggest that I think Kate doesn't know what she's doing). > If you have some personal problem with intrepretations of Kate's songs that > in any fashion contradict what Kate herself has said they might mean, that's > fine. But it's a far leap from "This is what Kate says" to "This is what is > must mean for all people, for all time!" > I would think Kate must see the oppurtunity that re-intrepretation and > re-examination provide to keep great works of art alive and breathing. I > think you really must examine whether you're doing Kate's music a service > by insisting on rigid, dogmatic dedication to the (mostly ambiguous) remarks > Kate has made about the deeper meaning of her songs. Thank you, Kevin, for putting this in the proper framework. For as long as I can remember, I have been incensed by anyone who said of a work of art, "this is what the artist intended." I don't think anyone would be . . . . uh, stupid . . . enough to say that the creation of music (or any other art form, for that matter) was entirely a concious intellecutual process. Why is it then, that people interpret it that way? I have listened to the Ninth Wave many times and, thought I did have a general sense of the "plot" from reading interviews with Kate, I have never worried about the fate of heroine. To me, the experience of listening to the music (as a whole, not just the lyrics), is a reward in itself. While I certainly don't mean to criticize anyone for spending some time analyzing music, I think that people need to take William Hurt's advice (from "The Big Chill") and just "let art flow over you." There is a reason that Kate Bush's chosen form is music not the printed word. Kevin also brought up the issue of whether the artist actually has an "intention" (as opposed to the listener/viewer attaching one to them). I think many artists are afraid of appearing to not know what they are doing and so later (in interviews for example) come up with reasons for why something is a certain way, even though that was not the focus of the work at the time of its creation. I've always admired David Byrne in particular because he's quite willing to say "Oh, I don't know why that word is there, or rather, I do know intuitively why it's there, but I couldn't explain it." While I wouldn't presume to know what's going thru KaTe's mind when she's writing a song, I wouldn't be surprised at all to discover that it is NOT the linear, "not a matter of debate" stuff that we hear in interviews. In fact, I've noticed that many of her videos (done, quite often, many months after the original inspiration) seem to be, to me, overly literal - a graphic depiction of the "story" - and lose much of the ambiguous, evocative nature of her musical work. Perhaps I'm too much the gestaltist, but that is what drew me to her work in the first place, how it spoke to ME. I guess I find that too much analysis spoils this for me. -- #dan Clever: dbk@mimsy.umd.edu | "For I was rolled in water, Not-so-clever: uunet!mimsy!dbk | I was rolled out past the pier" - MoB
freeman@DFTSRV.GSFC.NASA.GOV (Eric Freeman) (07/19/89)
Path: dftsrv!freeman From: freeman@dftsrv.gsfc.nasa.gov (Eric Freeman) Newsgroups: rec.music.misc,rec.music.gaffa Subject: CURE tour Keywords: The CURE Message-ID: <380@dftsrv.gsfc.nasa.gov> Date: 19 Jul 89 14:50:08 GMT Organization: Advanced Data Flow Technology Office Lines: 12 Does anyone have US tour information for The CURE? I just heard they are going to be at the Capitol Center August 22 but I will be out of town. Ugg! Eric Freeman -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Eric Freeman Goddard Space Flight Ctr/Indiana University freeman@dftsrv.gsfc.nasa.gov freeman@dftnic.gsfc.nasa.gov
dbk@MIMSY.UMD.EDU (Dan Kozak) (07/19/89)
Path: mimsy!dbk From: dbk@mimsy.UUCP (Dan Kozak) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: hammersmith, whole story videos Message-ID: <18632@mimsy.UUCP> Date: 19 Jul 89 15:51:38 GMT References: <3058@scolex.sco.COM> Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Lines: 25 From article <3058@scolex.sco.COM>, by tracyr@UUNET.UU.NET (jane smallberries): > engaging. and keeping in mind that in 1979, most concerts > were musicians standing on the stage singing (save for a > few colored lights, perhaps), i found her performance Loved the rest of your review (I've got Whole Story, but have have yet to see Hammersmith) but this just isn't true. Pink Floyd were using quite elaborate light shows in the late 60's (certainly more than "a few coloured lights"), David Bowie had done the makeup bit in the Ziggy era (circa '73 or so) and then the amazingly choreographed show for the Diamond Dogs tour (before reverting to the all white light, Brechtian theatre inspired look for the '76 Station to Staion tour), The Mothers of Invention were using Theatre of the Absurd techniques in their 1968 appearances at the Warwick Theatre in N.Y.C., etc., etc. There have been and are still musicians whose artistic vision stops with music and a straightforward performance (which is fine by me, most people have enough trouble doing one thing, i.e. playing music, well) but those of a more theatrical bent have been around for a while. -- #dan Clever: dbk@mimsy.umd.edu | "For I was rolled in water, Not-so-clever: uunet!mimsy!dbk | I was rolled out past the pier" - MoB
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (08/01/89)
Really-From: John Nienart <nienart@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Path: iuvax!nienart From: nienart@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (John Nienart) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Radio log Message-ID: <24116@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 1 Aug 89 15:34:57 GMT References: <8907311844.AA00299@das.llnl.gov> Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 34 >Really-From: ed@das.llnl.gov (Edward Suranyi) >I thought it would be fun to start a log of times Kate is played on >the radio. (North America only; this is probably much too easy in >Europe.) OK. I don't listen to radio at all, BUT, my girlfriend and I do a show on a non-profit cable FM station here in lovely Bloomington, Indiana (WQAX). It's just three hours every Tuesday, and we try to play at least one of our Goddess' works each show. We've been doing this show since the beginning of May, and here's what I remember having played: Wuthering Heights (original vocal) Oh, England Babooshka Army Dreamers Breathing (we play this a lot!) Sat in your Lap Night of the Swallow Get Out of My House Running Up That Hill The Big Sky (Meteorological Mix) Mother Stands for Comfort The Ninth Wave (that's right, the entire thing) This Woman's Work Sad to say, I don't think anybody else at the station plays KaTe. --John John Nienart IU Computer Science Internet: nienart@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu PS. Ed--Hi. If you want, send me email and I'll mail you a followup log after each show.
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (08/03/89)
Really-From: William B. Mays <mays@mcnc.org> Path: mcnc!mays From: mays@mcnc.org (William B. Mays) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Wuthering Heights Keywords: ? Message-ID: <5005@alvin.mcnc.org> Date: 3 Aug 89 13:26:32 GMT Distribution: usa Organization: Microelectronics Center of NC; RTP, NC Lines: 6 Could someone please send me the lyrics and/or chords to Wuthering Heights? I love that song! Thanks in advance... Peace, Brian
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (08/10/89)
Really-From: Dan Kozak <dbk@mimsy.umd.edu> Path: mimsy!dbk From: dbk@mimsy.UUCP (Dan Kozak) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: The Lost Single (?) Message-ID: <18988@mimsy.UUCP> Date: 10 Aug 89 16:12:39 GMT References: <Added.kYsMKR600Ui3M2Yk4F@andrew.cmu.edu> Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Lines: 42 > Really-From: Randall Knowles Smith <rs5o+@andrew.cmu.edu> > apparently there was some strong debate about the fairness of the FDA's > actions. > Calling Reich wrong is strong enough. Making him malevolent, as some people > seem intent upon (as the FDA did) is unnecessary and, possibly, unfair. Well, the circumstances surrounding Reich's arrest, death and the banning of his written works are pretty mysterious. How many other FDA/EPA violators actually went to jail? (Unfortunately, I don't have access to my sources on this right now, and it's been a while since I read the book, so I can't give more detail without risking a dinner of shoe leather. Next time I'm at my folks, I'll dig out my Reich biography and see what I can find.) > On another tack, I was listening to NFE last night, and was wondering about > the people mentioned in "Blow Away (for Bill)." Does anyone know who > these people are? Bill is Bill Duffield, (the lighting man who died in an accident right at the beginning of the Tour of Life. The rest are: Minnie Riperton (? I've been told) Keith Moon Sid Vicious (twice) Buddy Holly Sandy Denny (and in the last verse) Marc Bolan All musicians who died premature deaths. #dan Clever: dbk@mimsy.umd.edu | "For I was rolled in water, Not-so-clever: uunet!mimsy!dbk | I was rolled out past the pier" - MoB -- #dan Clever: dbk@mimsy.umd.edu | "For I was rolled in water, Not-so-clever: uunet!mimsy!dbk | I was rolled out past the pier" - MoB
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (08/11/89)
Really-From: dasys1!jgbritt@cucard.med.columbia.edu (James G Britt)
Path: dasys1!jgbritt
From: jgbritt@dasys1.UUCP (James G Britt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical,rec.music.folk,rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Minimalism
Keywords: Minimalism
Message-ID: <10478@dasys1.UUCP>
Date: 10 Aug 89 22:15:14 GMT
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I like minimalist
music. However, the only composers I
know are Glass, Reich and Reilly.
Could anybody let me know of some
other composers and/or works?
Thank you!
James
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James G Britt
Big Electric Cat Public UNIX
..!cmcl2!{ccnysci,cucard,hombre}!dasys1!jgbrittLove-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (08/13/89)
Really-From: halley!steve@cs.utexas.edu (Steve Williams) In a recent article, James G Britt wrote: > > I like minimalist > music. However, the only composers I >know are Glass, Reich and Reilly. >Could anybody let me know of some >other composers and/or works? No, we can't. We'd all *like* to, but we just can't. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Steve Williams ...!cs.utexas.edu!halley!steve -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (08/18/89)
Really-From: news@irisa.fr Path: irisa!thomas From: thomas@irisa.irisa.fr (Henry Thomas) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Sensual World / Alan Stivell Message-ID: <1391@irisa.irisa.fr> Date: 18 Aug 89 07:55:50 GMT References: <1003@uowcsa.cs.uow.oz> Sender: news@irisa.irisa.fr Lines: 20 From article <1003@uowcsa.cs.uow.oz>, by Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU: > Really-From: munnari!uowcsa.oz.au!u8530671%uowcsa.cs.uow.oz.OZ@uunet.UU.NET (Scunge) > >... > > From Love-Hounds%GAFFA.MIT.EDU@munnari.oz Wed Aug 16 06:43:39 1989 >>Now who's Alan Stivell? > > Alan Stivell is a British (?) Celtic Harp player. He has four ^^^^^^^ -> AAAARRRHHH ! Sorry, but Alan Stivell is French. Your confusion might come from the fact Alan is "Breton" i.e. comes from Britanny (the western part of France where american tankers crash and people are still not indemnified 12 years later). Stivell has been very popular in the mid-seventies, when the folk movement was on its crest, then was a little forgot. At the time Alan seems to be coming be back... Henry.
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (08/26/89)
Really-From: Dan Kozak <dbk@mimsy.umd.edu> Path: mimsy!dbk From: dbk@mimsy.UUCP (Dan Kozak) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: MisK. (mainly more on the :>oug/IED debate) Message-ID: <19273@mimsy.UUCP> Date: 26 Aug 89 04:45:07 GMT References: <8908252215.AA18537@GAFFA.MIT.EDU> Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Lines: 15 And now for a quote taken quite out of context: > Really-From: IED0DXM%OAC.UCLA.EDU@mitvma.mit.edu > This is just _too_ ridiculous. I concur. #dan Clever: dbk@mimsy.umd.edu | "For I was rolled in water, Not-so-clever: uunet!mimsy!dbk | I was rolled out past the pier" - MoB -- #dan Clever: dbk@mimsy.umd.edu | "For I was rolled in water, Not-so-clever: uunet!mimsy!dbk | I was rolled out past the pier" - MoB
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (08/28/89)
Really-From: munnari!fgp.hcru.uq.oz.au!andy@uunet.UU.NET (The Wubba Wubba Mon) Path: fgp!andy From: andy@fgp.hcru.uq.OZ (The Wubba Wubba Mon) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Censorship (was Re: The Last Temptation...) Summary: Moral Majority are everywhere. Keywords: PG, Scorsese, Censorship Message-ID: <377@fgp.hcru.uq.OZ> Date: 28 Aug 89 02:19:26 GMT References: <8908091227.AA18344@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> <3436.8908161704@fiji.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> Reply-To: andy@fgp.UUCP (The Wubba Wubba Mon) Organization: Humanities Computing Resources Unit, University of Queensland, Australia. Lines: 64 In article <3436.8908161704@fiji.cs.glasgow.ac.uk> Love-Hounds@GAFFA.MIT.EDU writes: >Deb Wentorf writes: >> In a totally un-Kate-related note, I would just like to let you all >>know that I was fortunate enough yesterday to locate _The Last Temptation >>of Christ_ video. > >>If anybody out there is a Gabriel fan who appreciated his _Passion_ album >>you may well enjoy hunting down the movie to see where all the music got >>tied in. > >I think most Gabriel nuts probably saw the film at the cinema, and then >spent several months anxiously awaiting the soundtrack. Certainly I was in >such a situation. This may come as a wee surprise to the diverse L-H readership, but the movie was banned here in Queensland. Although it passed the Australian censors with an "M" rating [suitable for Mature audiences. ie. > 15 y.o.], our state censors decided it was illegal, immoral, carcinogenic and fattening, and so banned it. The film had cinema releases in other Oz states, where it was the subject of (media coverage and) violent pickets by people who were trying to indirectly censor it - by jeering, obstructing and intimidating potential cinema patrons. As you may have guessed, the picketers had actually *seen* the movie.... - they just knew *innately* that it was blasphemous etc etc. None wanted to see it either. They knocked back reporters offering free tickets. As expected, there were "moral crusaders" leading the picketers... It isn't just banned from public screenings here. It is banned completely. Possession of the video will get you in a heap of sh*t if caught. I *have* seen PG's _Passion_ in record shops though. Perhaps the censors haven't realised what movie it is the 'soundtrack' to... I believe that the book [author has slipped mind. sorry!] which the film was based upon *isn't* banned here. Parhaps the censors believe that Queenslanders can't read.... Just remember here, that we're talking about a western nation! We have thousands of MacDonalds and Kentucky Fried Chicken "restaurants", and stuff. We just can't see some movies... While there was no law preventing Qlders from interstate to see the movie, it really isn't a viable option, like going interstate would be in the US, or going into the next county (or even country!) in the UK. Australia is about 9/10 the area of the US, but only has 7 states (and 1 territory). Queensland is the second largest state. This means that it one can fit the UK, France, Germany and Italy; or about two and a half Texas' into Queensland.... It all goes to show, that (1) just as the US has ``the deep south'', we have ``the deep north''. (2) Texas aint so big. and (3) The moral majority is neither. /\ndy --------------- Andrew M. Jones, Systems Programmer, ACSnet: andy@fgp.hcru.uq.oz c/o French Dept, Univ. of Qld, Work Phone: (07) 377 2075 Brisbane, Qld. AUSTRALIA. 4067 O/S Phone: +61 7 377 2075 "No matter what hits the fan, it's never distributed evenly....."
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (09/06/89)
Really-From: munnari!fgp.hcru.uq.oz.au!andy@uunet.UU.NET (The Wubba Wubba Mon) Path: fgp!andy From: andy@fgp.hcru.uq.OZ (The Wubba Wubba Mon) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Censorship [was Re: A note to Andrew Jones...] Summary: Can extremists prevail by using pacifism? Keywords: PG, censorship, pacifism, lawyers Message-ID: <380@fgp.hcru.uq.OZ> Date: 5 Sep 89 23:00:08 GMT References: <8908300219.AA06271@ide.com> <8908281244.AA12377@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> Reply-To: andy@fgp.UUCP (The Wubba Wubba Mon) Organization: Humanities Computing Resources Unit, University of Queensland, Australia. Lines: 63 In-Reply-To: <8908281244.AA12377@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> In article <8908281244.AA12377@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> Deb writerered: >_The Last Temptation of Christ_. Sorry. I guess that, by giving a review >of the movie, I led you to believe that _Temptation_ was easy to find >around here. It isn't. I live near Albany, New York (the state capitol) >and I believe there was only ONE theatre around here that didn't ban the >film...and THAT theatre took more than it's share of abuse from people >picketing and so on. Once the movie left the theatre, the same people who >opposed the film were trying to ban _Temptation_ from hitting the video >rental places, and for the most part they were successful. There are only >a few places that carry the movie...that's why I was so surprised to find >the movie in, of all places, a local supermarket which has a video rental! I don't want to start up more legal arguments. It seems that Usenet is full of aspiring lawyers, who write "I'm not a lawyer, but <200 lines>". I wonder how far one a protester can go under the law. The Oz and US law systems are based on UK or European ideas, and so general principals probably port across fairly accurately. A basic tennant seems to be that one has the right to `injure' someone's beliefs, but not their physical person. So that <Salmon Rushdie> can write a book which is (allegedly) offensive to the beliefs of <Muslims>, and they cannot <kill> him becuase of it. This seems to be at odds with <Islamic {Fundamentalist} Law> though.... Take the case of someone protesting outside a movie. If they physically {but non-violently} block the door, then to get in, you have to move them, and therefore, probably in a legalesque sense, "Assault" them. This looks kinda crazy, I know, but I have absolutly no idea what the law says about this sort of pacifistic "unstoppable force and immovable object" situation. It looks to me like, given a sympathetic police force, whichever side uses less physical contact/force is more in the right. So that if the [extremist] protesters form a human mountain blocking the entrances, then they can validly stop [non-extremists] people getting in. (Unless they all go in through the unguarded exits! ;-) Any comments? Can extremism win through pacifism? BTW. How did Rushdie's "Satanic Verses" book go in other places of the world? Here there were marches and protests and some [illegal] calls for Rushie to be assassinated. Some bomb threats were made to book stores intending to stock it, but I don't remember any bombs being found/detonated. I think many book stores backed down, and refused to stock it. /\ndy "Confesing all the secret things, in the warm velvet box. To the priest, he's the doctor. He can handle the shocks." P.S. Re: KTISGOD. What about the atheists and agnostics out there? Anyone have license plate KTISDARWIN??????? Disclaimer: "I'm not a lawyer..." -- Andrew M. Jones, Systems Programmer, ACSnet: andy@fgp.hcru.uq.oz UUNET: munnari!fgp.hcru.uq.oz.au!andy@uunet.UU.NET [I think!] Snail: c/o French Dept, Univ. of Qld, Work Phone: (07) 377 2075 Brisbane, Qld. AUSTRALIA. 4067 O/S Phone: +61 7 377 2075 "No matter what hits the fan, it's never distributed evenly....."
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (09/11/89)
Really-From: cmcl2!dasys1!jgbritt@rutgers.edu (James G Britt)
Path: dasys1!jgbritt
From: jgbritt@dasys1.UUCP (James G Britt)
Newsgroups: rec.music.classical,rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Minimalism. Names and Works.
Keywords: A list of composers
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Date: 11 Sep 89 03:31:15 GMT
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ome time ago, I posted a request for
the names and pieces of Minimalist
composers. Here are the results of my
quest. First, two response and their
critique of who and what. Then, names
and stuff I dug up from other sources.
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In-Reply-To: <10478@dasys1.UUCP>
David Borden. He works mostly with keyboard instruments, mostly electronic.
I'd particularly recommend at least taking a listen to almost any part of
"The Continuing Story of Counterpoint."
Dan Riley (riley@tcgould.tn.cornell.edu, cornell!batcomputer!riley)
-Wilson Lab, Cornell U.
1. LaMonte Young - try and find a recording of his
"The Well Tempered Piano" (I believe this is the correct title).
It is on the Gramavision label and so it may not be readily
available in your area (although I don't know where your area
is; I know that the recording is not readily available in my
area (Atlanta)). Also, this work is a five LP set or a five CD
set, so either way it's going to be expensive. With any luck
you can chance across it in a second hand record store. Young
is one of the earlier "minimalist" figures, dating back to a
time before it was called minimalism. Although Young follows
a standard "plan" when performing the work, he does improvise
and he allows his mood to guide his playing. The end result
is that the recording you would buy is just one possible
performance of the work. (Curiously enough because of this,
many record stores don't know whether to classify Young as
classical or jazz, so if you look for this work check
each section in your record store.) For further reference,
Young was interviewed in Fanfare magazine within the last year.
2. Avro Part - Part is the only minimalist composer that I listen
to with any sort of regularity. One modern music critic has
described Part as "... like Glass but with less repetition."
Where alot of Glass' music is dynamic and rhythmic (assaulting
is the word that comes to mind), Avro Part's is gentler, and
generally darker. There is an intellectual element in Part's
music that Glass misses entirely. The majority of his
recordings are on ECM, a subsidiary of Warner Brothers, so the
recordings should not extremely difficult to find. Look for
an album entitled Tabula Rasa and start there.
3. John Adams - An American contemporary of Glass and Reich.
There is a recording on the Nonesuch label of his Harmonielehre,
and a another recording of his opera "Nixon in China." I
am not familiar with the opera but the Harmonielehre is an
attractive orchestral work.
4. Per Norgard - If anyone on newsnet mentions this name I'll be
generally impressed. Norgard is not minimalist, but his
second symphony uses technique which the composer calls
"Infinite Series" to produce an effect which is not entirely
unlike the patterns of sound that one associates with the
minimali&Jk, M,mtbCte the symphony in the fifties,
long before the term minimalism was ever used, and Norgard's
"infinite series" are not a significant portion of his output.
There does exist a recording of this, but its on the Point
label (a Scandanavian import) and it may prove difficult to
find.
5. Steve Reich - Have you heard the Desert Music?
6. You mentioned the name Reilly in your request. I don't know
that name but I do know of Terry Riley who is an early
minimalist like Young. There are a number of CBS recordings
of his music available. I don't consider him particulary
interesting so I won't make a recomendation.
Bill Crane
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My findings:
Bela Farago/Group 180: Farago is a composer, and a member of Group 180, who
perform his works, along with the likes
of Steve Reich. Listen to "Death of the Spider", from "Group 180 Vol II". It
sounds *just like* "Music for 18 Musicians"! Which I like. :->
Wym Merten: Started out as a writer on
minimalism, but started composing in the mid '70s. Album: "Whisper Me".
Hans Otta (sp?): "Book of Sounds", a 12
part piece. What I've heard is quite
pretty.
Michael Nyman: Another writer-turned-
composer. Try his soundtrack album,
"The Draughtsman's Contract".
Piero Milesi (sp?): Another soundtrack,
"The Nuclear Observatory of Mr. Nanoff".
Ramon Farran: Ballet score, "Elements".
Well, that's that. I hope others find this usefull.
James
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James G Britt
Big Electric Cat Public UNIX
..!cmcl2!{ccnysci,cucard,hombre}!dasys1!jgbrittLove-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (09/16/89)
Really-From: System News Recipient <news@cs.duke.edu> Path: duke!romeo!dolber From: dolber@romeo.cs.duke.edu (Paul C. Dolber) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Song/artist identification help needed Keywords: Mali Message-ID: <15606@duke.cs.duke.edu> Date: 15 Sep 89 19:31:25 GMT Article-I.D.: duke.15606 Posted: Fri Sep 15 15:31:25 1989 Sender: news@duke.cs.duke.edu Lines: 9 Because this note is not about Kate, I'll keep it brief. Since many of you are well-versed in obscure (to the US) music, I hoped that someone could give me some information about a song I recently heard and liked. The singer was from Mali; the name of the artist *sounded like* Mori Cantay, and the name of the song quite improbably *sounded like* "Beach Allah." If anyone can give me accurate spellings and/or even better, information on where I could get a tape of same, please drop me a line. Regards, and thanks, Paul Dolber (dolber@cs.duke.edu).
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (09/16/89)
Really-From: adams@bosco.Berkeley.EDU
You are looking for the artist Mory Kante.
The song is _Inch'Allah_ (English: If God is willing)
The album is _Akwaba Beach_. Good album. Get it.
These guys are from Africa somewhere, but the album was recorded
in Paris, and there's no real clue on it about what country
they're from.
By the way, my favorite song on the album is _Ye Ke Ye Ke_.
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Jeff Adams adams@math.berkeley.edu
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (10/02/89)
Really-From: dbk@cs.UMD.EDU (Dan Kozak) Path: mimsy!dbk From: dbk@mimsy.UUCP (Dan Kozak) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: From a KT fanatic in Pgh, Pa Message-ID: <19922@mimsy.UUCP> Date: 1 Oct 89 21:34:22 GMT References: <600@halley.UUCP> Organization: U of Maryland, Dept. of Computer Science, Coll. Pk., MD 20742 Lines: 14 > Really-From: halley!steve@cs.utexas.edu (Steve Williams) > I was once (~1970) a major Led Zep fan, and I currently happen to rank I am STILL a major Zep fan and one of my fantasies would be that Kate and Jimmy Page would be united on vinyl (thru Roy Harper, whom they have both recorded with). If you haven't heard the Harper album that Page plays acoustic on a whole side of (can't remember the title offhand) you owe it to yourself, really great stuff. BTW, I saw Page last year on his solo tour and he was as good as he has ever been. -- #dan Clever: dbk@mimsy.umd.edu | "For I was rolled in water, Not-so-clever: uunet!mimsy!dbk | I was rolled out past the pier" - MoB
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (10/11/89)
Really-From: news <news@cs.unc.edu> Path: thorin!unc!kimy From: kimy@unc.cs.unc.edu (Yong-Mi Kim) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Jane Siberry Message-ID: <9924@thorin.cs.unc.edu> Date: 11 Oct 89 15:13:39 GMT References: <8910092155.AA08326@apple.com> <3969@blake.acs.washington.edu> Sender: news@thorin.cs.unc.edu Reply-To: kimy@unc.cs.unc.edu (Yong-Mi Kim) Organization: University Of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 20 question: is _The Walking_ the album that came out after _The Speckless Sky_? If it is, I too would be angry and disillusioned - _The Speckless Sky_ was supposed to be the album that would have made her a big star. Obviously it didn't. Just heard her new album on the radio. My favourite one in there is "The Life is the Red Wagon." Anybody else has pondered about the fact that Jane often mentions means of transportation in her songs? My favourite song from _TSS_ is "The Taxi Ride". Plus she has a song in her latest entitled "Something about trains". As an aside, "Are We Dancing Now (Map III)," the last song in the album, sounds so much like a song a Brazilian singer called Rita Lee did several years ago that I would almost cry plagiarism except I doubt that Jane would have ever heard it. it takes forever if you go by inertia no time if you don't believe in time Jane Siberry "The Very Large Hat" yong-mi kim kimy@cs.unc.edu
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (10/16/89)
Really-From: news <news@cs.unc.edu>
Path: thorin!unc!kimy
From: kimy@unc.cs.unc.edu (Yong-Mi Kim)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Re: Is Kate Bush the only thing discussed here?
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In article <1989Oct5.212210.20294@i-core.UUCP> Love-Hounds@GAFFA.MIT.EDU writes:
]Really-From: caeco!i-core!pete@uunet.UU.NET (Pete Ashdown)
]
]I checked into this news group a month ago to see what kind of
]progressive music discussion was discussed here. All I found was talk
]of Kate Bush's new album. I figured, "No problem, I'll check in
]later." So I did and I still find Kate Bush babble. Aren't you guys
]taking the description (ie: Kate Bush, etc.) a little literally? I
]mean, Kate Bush is good, but does she really deserve to have a whole
]newsgroup dedicated to her?
Actually, if you look closely there is discussion going on other
topics besides Kate Bush: other "alternative" female artists such
as Jane Siberry, Sinead O'Connor, Enya and so on. I actually
like the name of the newsgroup, since I think it encourages discussion
of women artists, while the other newsgroups concentrate on
interminable discussions on Pink Floyd and Rush.
Any k.d. lang fans out there?
Also, anybody secretly believe that Michelle Shocked and k.d. lang
were "separated at birth" (copyright Spy magazine)?
Went to the Pixies concert here in Chapel Hill last night. Walked
out around the middle of the show, couldn't get into it - mostly
because of the crowd, who were loud and drunk and obviously not
there to listen to the music.
it takes forever if you go by inertia
no time if you don't believe in time
Jane Siberry "The Very Large Hat"
yong-mi kim kimy@cs.unc.eduLove-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (10/19/89)
Really-From: "Joe Habermann" <haberman@cs.umn.edu> Path: umn-cs!haberman From: haberman@umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU (Joe Habermann) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Kate goes commercial Summary: could be worse Message-ID: <16423@umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU> Date: 19 Oct 89 03:37:39 GMT References: <8910181909.AA02741@GAFFA.MIT.EDU> Organization: University of Minnesota, Minneapolis Lines: 18 In article <8910181909.AA02741@GAFFA.MIT.EDU>, Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU writes: > Really-From: Doug Alan <nessus@athena.mit.edu> > > I was very surprised last night while watching TV when I saw a TV > commercial which used Kate's singing as the sole entire audio track. > The commercial visually shows a forlorn young girl sitting in a > doorway in a dark alley. Audially (sic), we hear Kate singing her > part of "Don't Give Up". After a little while the words "National > Runaway Switchboard" and an 800 phone number fade in. That suprises me too. But if Kate Bush is going commercial, working to help runaways would not be all that inconsistant with other stuff that she's done. Besides, mabye she'll spend the cash on studio equipment. Now, if she starts telling us that "...this is *not* my father's Sensual Oldsmobile", I think I'll puke. Joe Habermann / haberman@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu / ..rutgers!umn-cs!haberman
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (10/26/89)
Really-From: atexnet!kjl@uunet.UU.NET (Ken Lebowitz) Path: atexnet!kjl From: kjl@atexnet.UUCP (Ken Lebowitz) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: NPR Review... Message-ID: <333@minotaur.atexnet.UUCP> Date: 26 Oct 89 12:47:18 GMT Organization: EPPS Inc.,Bedford,MA 01730 Lines: 11 Posting-Front-End: GNU Emacs 18.50.1 of Thu Jul 21 1988 on mars (berkeley-unix) Last night (October 25) at about 1826 EDT I heard a review of TSW on National Public Radio's "All Things's Considered". They had some guy from "Rolling Stone" (sorry, didn't catch his name) talking about the album but mostly talking about Kate Bush. The comment I enjoyed most was uttered when they were discussing Kate's lack of mass appeal here in the U.S. This guy said that she made heavy use of Irish folk instruments/tunes which just couldn't be fathomed by Americans. He ended by saying, "if Madonna is the 'material girl' then Kate Bush must be the 'ethereal girl'. - kjl
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (10/28/89)
Really-From: Operator <root@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Path: sot-ecs!icdoc!ukc!mcsun!uunet!wuarchive!gem.mps.ohio-state.edu!tut.cis.ohio-state.edu!bloom-beacon!GAFFA.MIT.EDU!Love-Hounds-request From: Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: But what *I* want to know is... Message-ID: <1989Oct27.035754.3048@eddie.mit.edu> Date: 27 Oct 89 03:57:54 GMT References: <8910261033.AA18143@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> Sender: daemon@bloom-beacon.MIT.EDU Reply-To: Love-Hounds@GAFFA.MIT.EDU Organization: MIT EE/CS CompuA Lines: 40
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (10/29/89)
Really-From: news <news@cs.unc.edu> Path: thorin!unc!kimy From: kimy@unc.cs.unc.edu (Yong-Mi Kim) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Fish/ Derek Dick Message-ID: <10276@thorin.cs.unc.edu> Date: 28 Oct 89 19:48:49 GMT References: <8910252039.AA18743@rodan.acs.syr.edu> Sender: news@thorin.cs.unc.edu Reply-To: kimy@unc.cs.unc.edu (Yong-Mi Kim) Organization: University Of North Carolina, Chapel Hill Lines: 14 WARNING: MESSAGE QUESTIONING APPROPRIATENESS OF POST AHEAD I really hate it when other people do this to me, but I would really appreciate it if you moved this discussion to rec.music.misc or alt.rock-n-roll, where people will discuss nothing but Marillion for weeks. I subscribe here to get away from those endless discussions on Van Halen/Rush/Yes/Marillion/Pink Floyd. "if you remind me of my dog we're bound to get along" Jane Siberry "Everything reminds me of my dog" Yong-Mi Kim * U. of North Carolina at Chapel Hill * kimy@cs.unc.edu
kelly@CS.UMN.EDU (Shaun P. Kelly") (11/02/89)
Path: umn-cs!kelly From: kelly@umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU (Shaun P. Kelly) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Hidden "KT" in TSW cover... Message-ID: <16749@umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU> Date: 1 Nov 89 22:48:20 GMT References: <1843.AA1843@radlein> Reply-To: kelly@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (Shaun P. Kelly) Organization: CSci Dept., University of Minnesota, Mpls. Lines: 11 In article <1843.AA1843@radlein> ray@radlein.UUCP (Ray Radlein) writes: > > >of Love," it's on the back cover. As for "The Sensual World," we decided, >upon examining the CD carton cover, that Angie's initial spotting was a >false alarm; our suspicions now center upon an ambiguous shadow near her >hairline. > > -Ray R.
kelly@CS.UMN.EDU (Shaun P. Kelly") (11/04/89)
Path: umn-cs!kelly From: kelly@umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU (Shaun P. Kelly) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: KT logo in TSW Summary: Tiny ear-ring? Keywords: KT ear-ring Message-ID: <16778@umn-cs.CS.UMN.EDU> Date: 4 Nov 89 03:58:20 GMT Reply-To: kelly@umn-cs.cs.umn.edu (Shaun P. Kelly) Organization: CSci Dept., University of Minnesota, Mpls. Lines: 11 I tried to post earlier, maybe it got lost, maybe I don't know how to do this yet. Anyway, I looked for the KT logo on The Sensual World, and I think she may be wearing an ear-ring that says either KT or Kate. It is impossible to make out on the CD cover, but the CD box photo has it. Look for a square shape near the outside of the ear. Someone want to Email me if they can make it out better (LP cover, maybe?) (That way, too, I;ll know this made it out... :)
daemon%wapsyvax@wapsyvax.OZ.AU (The devil himself) (11/08/89)
Path: wapsyvax!wacsvax!tom From: tom@wacsvax.OZ (Tom Gedeon) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Kate Bush & Dr. Who Message-ID: <1286@wacsvax.OZ> Date: 8 Nov 89 04:48:08 GMT Organization: Comp Sci, Uni. Western Australia. Lines: 18 The fake posting way back when has some vague connection to reality. (Probably more than the poster intended.) The new Dr. Who film has the Doctor being portrayed by Donald Sutherland of Cloudbusting video fame. Perhaps Kate will appear as the Doctor's son - in a female regeneration :-) ? Tom -- Tom Gedeon, ACSNet: tom@wacsvax.oz Department of Computer Science, CSNet: tom@wacsvax.oz The University of Western Australia, ARPA: tom%wacsvax.oz@uunet.uu.net Nedlands 6009, Australia. UUCP: ..!uunet!munnari!wacsvax!tom PHONE: (09) 380 2279 OVERSEAS: +61 9 380 2279
michaelf@bhpese.bhpese.OZ.AU (01/02/90)
Path: bhpese!michaelf From: michaelf@bhpese.bhpese.oz (Michael Freund) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: KT Mailbag; Sylvian on CD; Kate Bush CD wish list Summary: Japan on CD Message-ID: <281@bhpese.bhpese.oz> Date: 2 Jan 90 04:17:25 GMT References: <8912291042.AA03250@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> Organization: BHP ESE Newcastle, Australia Lines: 28 IED, In article <8912291042.AA03250@EDDIE.MIT.EDU>, IED0DXM@OAC.UCLA.EDU writes: > > > IED does think highly of Sylvian, although he believes the best work > any of Japan's members did was done before they split up. In IED's opinion > _Gentlemen_Take_Polaroids_ and _Tin_Drum_ are landmark works in modern > music. (This is not to denigrate the various ex-members' solo recordings, > which without exception are first-rate.) I have _Gentlemen Take Polaroids_ and _Tin Drum_ on CD, and agree with your summation of their stature. Could you please be of some assistance regarding two other Japan albums. To the best of your knowledge, is either of _Quiet Life_ or _Assemblage_ available on CD? > > As to the various ex-members of Japan, much is still missing on CD: > Mick Karn's spotty but sometimes wonderful debut solo album, _Titles_, > is still not available anywhere (even in Japan, so far as IED is aware, I have _The Waking Hour_ by Dali's Car on CD, but have searched many a music store for Mick Karn's _Titles_ :-( Regards, Michael.
michaelf@bhpese.bhpese.OZ.AU (01/04/90)
Path: bhpese!michaelf From: michaelf@bhpese.bhpese.oz (Michael Freund) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: David Sylvian Message-ID: <284@bhpese.bhpese.oz> Date: 4 Jan 90 02:01:44 GMT Organization: BHP ESE Newcastle, Australia Lines: 69 Greg, >I really like the Dolphin Brothers' "Catch the Fall", but in a different way >than I like Sylvian's work. I've only heard the first Dolphin Brothers' single - it sounded far too commercial for my liking. The B-side was OK, though. The first (pre-Dolphin Brothers) Jansen / Barbieri collaboration was the instrumental album _Worlds In A Small Room_. This is fantastic. Very atmospheric and very original - have a listen. >>1985 - Words With The Shaman (Mini CD) > >This is available on CD? W O W! Is it the complete version than was released >on cassette, or just the abbreviated version released as an EP? I'll have to >look for it. This 3 inch CD contains exactly the same tracks as the original EP: Pt. 1 Ancient Evening Pt. 2 Incantation Pt. 3 Awakening >>1985?- Alchemy: An Index of Possibilities? (Cassette) > >What is this? Is it the cassette version of "Words With the Shaman"? See discussions on WeatherBox in rec.music.gaffa for a description. >>1987 - Trophies: The Lyrics of David Sylvian (Book) > >I've heard of this, but never seen it. I'd definitely like to own it. Is it >easy to obtain? TROPHIES: The Lyrics of David Sylvian (1987) ------------------------------------- TROPHIES is a 64 page publication containing the lyrics of 30 songs by David Sylvian, including four previously unpublished titles. The book, size 15 cm x 21 cm, has been designed by Vaughn Oliver, with b&w photographs by Nigel Grierson (both of 23 Envelope) with an original cover in full colour by Russell Mills. Two years ago, the prices were: POUNDS 6.50 for the book and POUNDS 4.00 for air-mail outside U.K. Orders for all items should be addressed to: Order Department Opium (Arts) Ltd. 17 Gosfield Street London, W1P 7HE United Kingdom Overseas customers should make their remittance in POUNDS STERLING; by International Money Order, Girobank, or Eurocheque; and be made payable to Opium (Arts) Ltd. Regards, Michael.
usenet@ist.co.UK (The News System) (01/05/90)
Path: ist!axion!axion.bt.co.uk!nkings From: nkings@axion.bt.co.uk (Nicholas J. Kings) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Dec. Will Be Magic Again on CD! Message-ID: <1990Jan3.124259.20933@axion.bt.co.uk> Date: 3 Jan 90 12:42:59 GMT References: <8912232112.1.19949@cup.portal.com> Sender: news@axion.bt.co.uk Reply-To: nkings@axion.bt.co.uk (Nicholas J. Kings) Organization: RT3123 (Software Systems Design, Methods & Tools), British Telecom Research Labs Lines: 14 In article <8912232112.1.19949@cup.portal.com>, Edward_Lee_Whiteside@cup.portal.COM writes: > I came across a British CD (import in the US) called "It'S Christmas" made > by EMI. One of the tracks on it is "December Will Be Magic Again" from > Kate. My wife bought this album (honest)... and I heard the the track with great joy (suprise). The track is a re-mix of the single. Nuff' said except the rhythm is different :( Nick@TheEndOfTime "It's dark and we're wearing sunglasses":- E. Blues
usenet@ist.co.UK (The News System) (02/07/90)
Path: ist!axion!demeter!nkings
From: nkings@demeter.axion.bt.co.uk (Nick @ The End of Time)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Riddle me this...
Message-ID: <1990Feb6.144703.14944@axion.bt.co.uk>
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Name: Nick Kings
Many moons ago, a friend of mine asked: "If _Kate_ got married, would she
loose most of her fans?" We'd just seen the Hammersmith Show on TV, and my
friend had noticed the proportion of males in the audience.
This question was asked 10 years ago, but I've not been able to come to any
satisfactory answer.
Over to you!
#include <std_disclaim.h>
"And the sandcastle virtues are all swept away..."root@IUVAX.CS.INDIANA.EDU (Boss Tweed) (02/14/90)
Path: iuvax!silver!jburka From: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: TSW Message-ID: <35727@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 13 Feb 90 21:56:05 GMT References: <52159@bbn.COM> Sender: root@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Reply-To: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 20 In article <52159@bbn.COM> Liz Bonesteel <eboneste@BBN.COM> writes: > >I wonder what happened to KaTe's little streak of weirdness. > >TSW is a great album. But it's too ordinary to be a great KaTe album. Hmm. Strange. I, too, find a surprising disparity between HoL and TSW (though I love both). But this is more a different style of music and voicing. I'm surprised that you don't see a streak of weirdness on TSW. I remember being utterly shocked by Rocket's Tail the first time I heard it... related (thanks to the Trio Bulgarka) is Deeper Understanding. While the "weirdness" may take a different form from that on HoL, I tend to attribute it to artistic progression rather than anything else. Jeff "And dressed as a rocket on Waterloo bridge Nobody seems to see me"
news@IUVAX.CS.INDIANA.EDU (USENET News System) (02/22/90)
Path: iuvax!silver!jburka From: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: KaTe's popping up in _more_ places Message-ID: <43300004@silver> Date: 22 Feb 90 05:49:00 GMT Organization: Indiana University CSCI, Bloomington Lines: 14 Nf-ID: #N:silver:43300004:000:445 Nf-From: silver.ucs.indiana.edu!jburka Feb 22 00:49:00 1990 Shock of shocks! The March CBS/Columbia House CD Club "BUYMEBUYMEBUYME" catalog came today...and the 'modern rock selection of the month' (the album they send unless you tell them 'NO') is..... THE SENSUAL WORLD!! I was a little more than a little surprised. (somehow I got stuck in the 'hard rock' category, so instead of offering me an album I'd take if I hadn't had it for months, they offered me the new Whitesnake lump. Pshaw!) Jeff
root@ecs.soton.ac.UK (Operator) (02/23/90)
Path: sot-ecs!icdoc!ukc!mcsun!uunet!kaukau.comp.vuw.ac.nz!comp.vuw.ac.nz!vuwst1!nzfc!eagle!mtarr From: mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: gaffa and reviews Message-ID: <7757@eagle.wesleyan.edu> Date: 21 Feb 90 18:09:27 GMT Sender: daemon@eddie.mit.edu (Mr Background) Lines: 35 I've been trying to post things for three weeks now, nnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn vvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvvery single one has bounced. However, I'm not one to quit easily, so here we go again: First, "gaffa", as far as I can tell within the context of the song "Suspended In Gaffa", means a state of confusion or unawareness of what is going on . At least, that's what _I_ mean when I say I must be suspended in gaffa!!! Second, that latest review of TSW really bites. Too often reviewers, be they record or book reviewers, let their personal biases and basic stupidity get in the way of objectiveness. The least that woman could've done was spell "Rocket's TAIL" right. That's just plain ignorance, and it convinced me to take the review with a grain of salt. I'd be willing to put money on the fact that the reviewer has never heard any of KT's earlier work, or if she has, she hasn't listened to it all that closely. She certainly hasn't listened to TSW very closely. Third, does anyone out there know for certain if KT speaks German? This may be a hackneyed question, but I'm relatively new to the nets here. I've noticed the German lines in "Coffee Homeground" (Es schmeckt WUNderbar!) and "Hello Earth" (which, as far as I've been able to decipher in the past two and a half years, are "Tiefer, Tiefer, wurde es (?!?) in den Tiefer, gibt es Euch nicht." Those lines translate, respectively, to "It tastes WONderful!" and, assuming I've heard correctly, "The depths, the depths- it would be (?!?) in the depths, it gives you nothing." I'm pretty unsure of that last one, obviously: can anyone help me out with this? As a lowly German major, these things tend to interest me. And speaking of interesting things, as a Medieval Studies major I also noticed that in those little MTV interview clips (you know, the ones with that stupid Aura stuff), KT is wearing a little Druid sickle pendant necklace. Anybody else notice that? Here's hoping this posting actually gets posted... Meredith Tarr Wesleyan University "Living in the gap between past and
hoangdo@ntmtv.UUCP (Hoang Do) (02/24/90)
Path: ntmtv!hoangdo
From: hoangdo@ntmtv.UUCP (Hoang Do)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: lyrics server..
Message-ID: <835@ntmtv.UUCP>
Date: 23 Feb 90 16:36:56 GMT
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Does anyone here know the proper format for requesting lyrics
off of the Lyrics server at UMASS.EDU(not sure if this is exact)?
I've tried several times
and it seems that without the correct "lingo" it will just reply
with an error code letter. I'm looking for the lyrics for HoL
and the Dreaming. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanxnotes@IUVAX.CS.INDIANA.EDU (02/25/90)
Path: iuvax!silver!jburka From: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Sinead O'Conner and Midnight Oil Message-ID: <43300005@silver> Date: 25 Feb 90 02:30:00 GMT References: <835074040@<AZtjWoi00Vo9Q_ZEwP@andrew> Organization: Indiana University CSCI, Bloomington Lines: 41 Nf-ID: #R:<AZtjWoi00Vo9Q_ZEwP@andrew:835074040:silver:43300005:000:2096 Nf-From: silver.ucs.indiana.edu!jburka Feb 24 21:30:00 1990 kb32+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU writes: > O.K., so I screwed up on the post scripts, but that was the least of >my mistakes. In that last post I forgot to mention that Sinead O'Conner >and Midnight Oil had new albums out. I believe that Sinead's is called >"I Don't Want What I Don't Have" or something like that. > I was wondering if any of you KT fans happened to have already >purchased either, or both, of these albums so you could run by a >preliminary review. Hopefully, I'll be able to purchase at least >Sinead's within the next couple weeks and give it a rundown (assuming I >get over my current cash-flow problem, or should I say cash-out-flow). >Anyways, I feel Sinead O'Conner has a voice that is near the degree of >Kate's, but that is my own opinion. Has anybody _found_ the new Sinead album yet? Last Sunday, on 120 Minutes, MTV managed to do something right--the followed TSW with Sinead's "new" single, "Nothing Compares 2 U" which was extraordinary (song _and_ video). The new song is mostly strings, but nothing like "Troy".... Anyway, I was fairly certain that they said the albu would be out on the 20th. I've been looking for it since Tuesday, and have yet to find it anywhere. AND I WANT IT!! <grin> Was "20th" perhaps a UK release date? >As for Midnight Oil's new album... The new album is called _Blue Sky Mining_, first single being the sort-of title track "Blue Sky Mine." It's pretty good, though perhaps more melodic than previous stuff (the song, that is). An aussie friend of mine bemoans the fact that Peter Garret (sp?) is trying to sing now. In any event, the album is s'posed to be released on the 27th in the USA (I think it came out this past week elsewhere). On a completely unrelated note...I finally got hold of the new Fish (ex of Marillion) album on loan from a friend, and was very pleasantly surprised to find that Fish's new drummer is Mark Brzezicki of Big Country. Even more surprising was the listing of pipes and whistles played by.... yup--Davey Spillane. He appears on several tracks, perhaps most notably, "The Company" Jeff
root@IUVAX.CS.INDIANA.EDU (Boss Tweed) (03/01/90)
Path: iuvax!silver!jburka From: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: His Ninth Wave? Message-ID: <37437@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 28 Feb 90 19:28:42 GMT References: <9002281913.AA01091@svax.cs.cornell.edu> Sender: root@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Reply-To: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 14 Jenn asks something about KaTe referring to a female character in The Ninth Wave. Somewhere I have a short "interview" with KaTe that I got off Gaffa, um, a little under a year ago, in which KaTe gives a _brief_ description of what each separate song in the suite is about...I'm fairly positive she refers to a woman. If the article isn't in the archives, I'm sure I could dig it up on floppy and re-post it. |Jeffrey C. Burka | "On the outskirts of nowhere | |jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | on the ringroad to somewhere, | |jburka@amber.ucs.indiana.edu | on the verge of indecision..." --Fish |
orion@WPI.WPI.EDU (Kenneth G Descoteaux) (03/01/90)
In article <9002281928.AA10864@rutgers.edu> root@IUVAX.CS.INDIANA.EDU (Boss Tweed) writes: > >Jenn asks something about KaTe referring to a female character in >The Ninth Wave. > >Somewhere I have a short "interview" with KaTe that I got off Gaffa, um, >a little under a year ago, in which KaTe gives a _brief_ description of >what each separate song in the suite is about...I'm fairly positive she >refers to a woman. > >If the article isn't in the archives, I'm sure I could dig it up on floppy >and re-post it. > >|Jeffrey C. Burka | "On the outskirts of nowhere | >|jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | on the ringroad to somewhere, | >|jburka@amber.ucs.indiana.edu | on the verge of indecision..." --Fish | No-one's going crazy yet guys. I was surprised by the reference to a male character also and even checked back. Since I'm relatively new, I have been pawing through the archives and had just found that article a few weeks ago :^) It's on gaffa.mit.edu down with the KaTe stuff in the directory called 'kate-says' the file in question is 'kate-on-hounds-of-love' The main character is confirmed to be a woman by KaTe's own words. It's very interesting and I recommend it to anyone who hasn't read it yet ... actually all the stuff (that I've read so far) in 'kate-says' is interesting. Now how did they screw up the release like that? Certainly the tale of a woman's trials by water would be more emotionally involving. (I hope that doesn't sound sexist ... It isn't meant to.) The lyrics aren't ambiguous at all. Maybe whoever wrote it up only listen to "Hello Earth" and assumed by the references to 'sailors' that the character was male ? (That would be sexist) ************************************************************** Ken Descoteaux orion@wpi.wpi.edu
root@ecs.soton.ac.UK (Operator) (03/02/90)
Path: sot-ecs!icdoc!ukc!harrier.ukc.ac.uk!zodiac.ukc.ac.uk!lll-winken!das!ed From: ed@das.llnl.gov (Edward Suranyi) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Rolling Stone reviews, Sinead, and Kate Message-ID: <50549@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> Date: 1 Mar 90 20:42:18 GMT References: <9002282240.AA26871@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> <52833@bbn.COM> Sender: usenet@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV Reply-To: ed@das.UUCP (Edward Suranyi) Organization: Dept. of Applied Science, UC Davis at LLNL Lines: 7 Linz Boneseeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeelllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll<eboneste@BBN.COM> write?s: > Speaking more of Rolling Stone, I heard a rumor they tr?ashed OOOOOOOO hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn >it came out Can anyone confirm this? When? _HoL_ cameout, _Rolling Stone_ wasn't giviggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggstars in its r?eviews. (They aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa tttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttttpppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppppeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeereason a few months earlier?, addddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddddthey just started again about a eeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer
root@IUVAX.CS.INDIANA.EDU (Boss Tweed) (03/06/90)
Path: iuvax!silver!jburka From: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: hmm..sure sounds wrong to me Message-ID: <37952@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 5 Mar 90 19:23:41 GMT References: <9003050924.AA23932@world.std.com> Sender: root@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Reply-To: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 25 Vickie writes that she agrees with Susan, and I figgered it was time to toss in my 2 bits (I've been trying not to...) I heard the TWS version before I heard/got TKI, and thought it was a neat song. I then got TKI and fell in love with the song (I still don't have a copy of TWS!). At first it seemed like I only liked the TKI version better because I was more familliar with it. However, when I finally read _Wuthering Heights_, I was able to truly say that the earlier version captures Cathy the way I saw her in the book (although, of course, that was influenced by the songs!). In discussing the versions of the songs with friends, we finally decided that I liked the TKI version because it captures the child-Cathy that comes back at the beginning of the book, while my friends like the TWS version because it's more ghostly--there's what sounds like a little extra re-verb on KaTe's voice that makes it haunting/ghostly...and it's obviously much older Cathy being portrayed... Just a few thoughts.... |Jeffrey C. Burka | "On the outskirts of nowhere | |jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | on the ringroad to somewhere, | |jburka@amber.ucs.indiana.edu | on the verge of indecision..." --Fish |
root@IUVAX.CS.INDIANA.EDU (Boss Tweed) (03/07/90)
Path: iuvax!silver!jburka
From: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: KaTe on _The Ninth Wave_
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Date: 6 Mar 90 16:31:39 GMT
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A couple of weeks ago, I mentioned something about a file I'd saved from
.gaffa in which KaTe briefly discusses each of the songs on _The
Ninth Wave_. I had a couple of a requests to repost it to .gaffa, so
here it is!
I got this off the net about a year ago; there had been an argument as
to whether or not the protaganist dies at the end of the suite. I believe
that IED posted this one... I have _no_ records of where this quote
came from, when it was recorded/written, whatever. If anybody knows,
I'd appreciate finding out. Anyway, here we go:
"The side is about someone who is in the water alone for the night.
_And_Dream_of... is about them fighting sleep. They're very tired and
they've been in the water waiting for someone to come and get them, and
it's starting to get dark and it doesn't look like anyone's
coming and
they want to go to sleep. They know that if they go to sleep in the
water they could turn over and drown, so they're trying to keep awake; but
they can't help it, they eventually fall asleep--which takes us into the
second song.
"The second song is called _Under_Ice_, and is the dream that the
person has. They're skating on ice; it's a frozen river
and it's very white
everywhere and they're all alone, there doesn't appear to be anyone else
there. As they skate along they look down at the ice and they can see
something moving underneath. As they skate along with the object that's
moving under the ice they come to a crack in the ice; and as it moves
under the crack, they see that it's themselves in the water drowning, and
at that moment they wake up into the next song, which is about friends
and memories who come to wake them up to stop them drowning.
"As they wake up and surface, they are coming out of the whole feeling of
deep subconsciousness. One of the voices tells them there's someone
there to see them, and here in the water is a witchfinder. This is a
sort of nightmare they're having. This monster figure is basically
trying to drown them, trying to see if they're innocent or guilty. If
they drown then they're innocent. If they don't drown they're guilty,
they'll be drowned anyway. It's the trial of this girl who's in the
water; and all she wants to do is survive and keep her head above water.
"The next song is about how she wants to go home. That's really the
thing she wants most, just to be in the cosy atmosphere of her belongings all
around her, and the security of those four walls and the firm ground, and
being with the one that she loves. She finds that she's there in spirit,
and there's her loved one sitting in a chair by the fire, but she hadn't
conceived the idea that she wouldn't actually be there in real terms.
She's not real. And although she can see her man, he can't see her--she
can't communicate with him in any way. It's more of a nightmare than
anything so far, because this is the closest she's been to any kind of
comfort, and yet it's the furthest away.
"The next song is _Jig_of_Life_. This is about the future self who comes
to her rescue, basically. She says 'Look, I'm the next part of your life
and if I am going to survive and enjoy the things that I've enjoyed--
having my children, my happy home and my husband--re
she's so weak that she relives the experience of the storm that took
her in
the water, almost from a view: looking down on the earth up in the heavens,
watching the storm start to form--the storm that eventually took her and that
has put her in this situation.
"This takes us into _The_Morning_Fog_. 'Morning fog' is the symbol of
light and hope. It's the end of the side, and if you ever have any
control over endings they should always, I feel, have some kind of light
in there."
|Jeffrey C. Burka | "On the outskirts of nowhere |
|jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | on the ringroad to somewhere, |
|jburka@amber.ucs.indiana.edu | on the verge of indecision..." --Fish |marek@IUVAX.CS.INDIANA.EDU (Marek Lugowski) (03/15/90)
Path: iuvax!marek From: Marek Lugowski <marek@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Should I start with _The Whole Story_? Message-ID: <38700@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 15 Mar 90 09:15:51 GMT Sender: marek@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Lines: 12 Picture a "Far Side" with the fat pouty nerdy kid opening a door that you can make out has a stencilled sign "Physics Department Colloquium Room" and a smaller one "please open and close quietly" and another one "Professor Smith on Galactic Fillamentation in Cygnus R35a".... and saying "I think physics is neat but can anyone recommend a good kite?" ...to the colloq'ing nerdy physicists gathered inside, obviously interrupted. I say is take cover....say, of _Never for Ever_. Pretty sturdy stuff and resists flames up to 451 F. (smile) -- Marek
root@IUVAX.CS.INDIANA.EDU (Boss Tweed) (03/16/90)
Path: iuvax!silver!jburka From: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Uh oh, this may be the start of something... Message-ID: <38735@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 15 Mar 90 19:58:03 GMT References: <9003130847.AA22863@world.std.com> Sender: root@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Reply-To: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 28 Vicki, don't sweat it... No flames from me; I couldn't have said it any better. _Lionheart_ was something of a disapointment for me; it was my 4th KaTe album, and it was the first one that I didn't want to play over and over again. It's still my least favorite album (despite some songs I love) TSW was much the same when I got it...right when it was released in the States. I took it home, extraordinarily excited, popped it in the CD player...and my face fell. "Oh. This is what Kate's doing now. I see." But, a few of the tracks hit me right off...Deeper Understanding and TWW in particular. Because of those songs, I realized there was something I was missing, so I kept listening to the album. Finally, it started to hit me--The Fog, Rocket's Tail, and Never Be Mine began to display all of the Kate Bush-ness that I had missed. TSW is a complex album that deserves a lot of openminded listening. It's well worth the effort. |Jeffrey C. Burka | "On the outskirts of nowhere | |jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | on the ringroad to somewhere, | |jburka@amber.ucs.indiana.edu | on the verge of indecision..." --Fish |
root@IUVAX.CS.INDIANA.EDU (Boss Tweed) (03/16/90)
Path: iuvax!silver!jburka From: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: The Laugh Message-ID: <38755@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 16 Mar 90 01:55:37 GMT References: <9003151804.AA17054@tweezers.esd.sgi.com> Sender: root@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Reply-To: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 22 In article <9003151804.AA17054@tweezers.esd.sgi.com> portuesi@sgi.com (Michael Portuesi) writes: > >What about "Aspects of the Sensual World?" Does the laugh appear >there? > Happily, I picked up my $6.35 (after tax!) CD single "Aspects of the Sensual World" today... The laugh most certainly does not appear on it, which means absolutely nothing, because neither L&A nor The Fog are on the disc! Wheee! I finally have "Be Kind..." and "I'm Still Waiting" on CD... I bought the 12" of TWW so I could get the poster, and my tape of those two songs is terrible. |Jeffrey C. Burka | "On the outskirts of nowhere | |jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | on the ringroad to somewhere, | |jburka@amber.ucs.indiana.edu | on the verge of indecision..." --Fish |
root@IUVAX.CS.INDIANA.EDU (Boss Tweed) (03/23/90)
Path: iuvax!silver!jburka From: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Clannad (was Re: Macalla (re: Celtic (ish) Playlist)) Summary: correcting a mistaken erratum Keywords: just a sideline.. Message-ID: <39301@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 22 Mar 90 16:17:19 GMT References: <3477@scorn.sco.COM> Sender: root@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Reply-To: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Distribution: usa Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 17 Actually, 'caroleeh' was wrong in 'correcting' Vicki. Caroleeh was thinking of the band Clannad (whose 1985 album was titled "Macalla"). Clannad is composed of 5 peope: Maire, Ciaran, and Pol Brennan, and Noel and Padraig Duggan. The first three are all the older siblings of Enya, and the latter two are a couple of the Brennan family's uncles. They've been around since the 70's (late?) and I hear they've changed quite a bit, from jazzy to pop. I've only got two of their albums (Macalla/1985 and PastPresent, a best-of from last year). Very interesting stuff... Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "On the outskirts of nowhere | |jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | on the ringroad to somewhere, | |jburka@amber.ucs.indiana.edu | on the verge of indecision..." --Fish |
root@IUVAX.CS.INDIANA.EDU (Boss Tweed) (04/08/90)
Path: iuvax!silver!jburka From: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Dit-Dah-Dit-Dah Summary: ...---... Message-ID: <41100@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 8 Apr 90 16:59:32 GMT References: <2307.AA2307@radlein> Sender: root@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN. Lines: 8 I dunno morse code either, but fortunately KaTe used a very common bit of code that I happen to know: SOS!! Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "On the outskirts of nowhere | |jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | on the ringroad to somewhere, | |jburka@amber.ucs.indiana.edu | on the verge of indecision..." --Fish |
uucpadmin@Atherton.COM (UUCP Administrative login) (04/09/90)
Path: athertn!infopiz!decwrl!ogicse!uwm.edu!cs.utexas.edu!uunet!snorkelwacker!mit-eddie!DAS.LLNL.GOV!ed@DAS.LLNL.GOV From: ed@DAS.LLNL.GOV (Edward Suranyi) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: The video is the #1 seller at Tower! Message-ID: <9004090415.AA03919@das.llnl.gov> Date: 9 Apr 90 04:15:10 GMT Lines: 14 Article-I.D.: das.9004090415.AA03919 Sender: daemon@eddie.mit.edu (Mr Background) Organization: Love-Hounds Anonymous Lines: 8 Approved: nessus@eddie.mit.edu The April/May issue of _Tower Video Collector_ just came out. This is yet another in-store magazine of Tower Records/Video. They list the top 10 music video sales. _Kate Bush: The Sensual World_ is number one! Ed ed@das.llnl.gov
news@Atherton.COM (News Administrator) (04/09/90)
Path: athertn!infopiz!decwrl!ogicse!uwm.edu!wuarchive!mit-eddie!WESLEYAN.BITNET!MTARR@WESLEYAN.BITNET From: MTARR@WESLEYAN.BITNET Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Kate and Paganism Message-ID: <9004072109.AA03942@gaffa.MIT.EDU> Date: 7 Apr 90 21:15:39 GMT Lines: 38 Article-I.D.: gaffa.9004072109.AA03942 Sender: daemon@eddie.mit.edu (Mr Background) Organization: Love-Hounds Anonymous Lines: 32 Approved: nessus@eddie.mit.edu Greetings... Reading Larne from Yale's account of how he became a Love-Hound reminded me of something I've been meaning to bring up for a while now: the amount of pagan imagery present in the video for "The Sensual World". I don't know what was discussed about Kate on the paganism mailing list (anybody like to enlighten me?), but the general consensus among my friends and family who have seen the TSW video is, My God, That's SO Pagan!!! My sister proclaimed the part where KT is dancing backwards through the trees and the full moon as positively Wiccan, although I don't know enough of Wiccan stuff to be able to agree or disagree. It's certainly Celtic- trees, moon, fire, a hauntingly beautiful woman dancing very strangely through it all. It seems Druid to me, but again, I'm not one to judge. I think the only time I've seen Kate wear an item of jewelry was on one of the MTV mini-interviews, in which she was wearing a Druid sickle pendant around her neck. I know she's said she doesn't have any real religious beliefs, but with her Irish heritage and her interest in traditional Celtic stuff, it didn't appear strange to me. Does anybody have an opinion on this? Has anybody else noticed this, what do you think, have you heard KT mention anything about it in an interview, whatever. I'll welcome e-mail on the subject, but if you're going through UUCP please post, because I won't be able to e-mail you an answer. I'm really intrigued by all this, and would like some outside input. ******************************************************************************** Meredith Tarr "Looking for a moment that'll never happen mtarr@eagle.wesleyan.edu Living in the gap between past and future" Wesleyan University -KT ********************************************************************************
uucpadmin@Atherton.COM (UUCP Administrative login) (04/12/90)
Path: athertn!infopiz!decwrl!ogicse!mintaka!mit-eddie!DAS.LLNL.GOV!ed@DAS.LLNL.GOV From: ed@DAS.LLNL.GOV (Edward Suranyi) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: VH-1 stats and info Message-ID: <9004110100.AA06102@das.llnl.gov> Date: 11 Apr 90 01:00:41 GMT Lines: 35 Article-I.D.: das.9004110100.AA06102 Sender: daemon@eddie.mit.edu (Mr Background) Organization: Love-Hounds Anonymous Lines: 29 Approved: nessus@eddie.mit.edu I was curious to see exactly what "Five Star Rotation" means on VH-1, so I used my handy-dandy VCR and fast-forward button to determine the following: Between 4:00 am and 4:00 pm PST "This Woman's Work" was played four times, i.e. about once every three hours. There are nine videos currently in "Five Star Rotation" (_Billboard_ says eight; this is one of several errors in _BB_'s lists). From 12:00 noon to 4:00 pm a 5* video was played once every 20 minutes, on average. Note that this agrees with the frequency of four times in twelve hours for any one particular 5* video. Note for Jane Siberry fans: According to _BB_, VH-1 has added the video for "Life Is A Red Wagon". However, I didn't see it in all my viewing. In fact, I haven't seen any of the videos which _BB_ says VH-1 has just added. I suspect this is _BB_'s error, like when they said VH-1 added "The Sensual World" several weeks before it was actually added. But in any case this new Jane video probably will start showing up on VH-1 sometime. Note for Laurie Anderson fans: VH-1 has been showing a lot of short clips of Laurie lately. They give the name of the album as _Strange Animals_. Is this for real, or has VH-1 made a tremendous error? Ed Suranyi ed@das.llnl.gov
uucpadmin@Atherton.COM (UUCP Administrative login) (04/12/90)
Path: athertn!infopiz!decwrl!ogicse!cs.uoregon.edu!mips!zaphod.mps.ohio-state.edu!think!yale!eagle!lll-winken!das!ed From: ed@das.llnl.gov (Edward Suranyi) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: General reminder tO all reaDers Message-ID: <55699@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV> Date: 11 Apr 90 05:20:20 GMT Lines: 25 Article-I.D.: lll-wink.55699 References: <9004110021.AA24719@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> <1990Apr11.021552.1825@cs.wmich.edu> Sender: usenet@lll-winken.LLNL.GOV Reply-To: ed@das.UUCP (Edward Suranyi) Organization: Dept. of Applied Science, UC Davis at LLNL Lines: 16 Approved: nessus@eddie.mit.edu To: ames!rec-music-gaffa In article <1990Apr11.021552.1825@cs.wmich.edu> oliver@CS.WMICH.EDU (Christopher Oliver) writes: >In article <9004110021.AA24719@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> IED0DXM@OAC.UCLA.EDU writes: >> >> She really is. >> >>-- Andrew Marvick > >Yes..........What? I guess you're not a long-time Love-Hound. The full text of the above motto is: Kate Bush is God, she really is. It's just a fun thing to say when you're around Kate fans. Ed ed@das.llnl.gov
uucpadmin@Atherton.COM (UUCP Administrative login) (04/12/90)
Path: athertn!infopiz!decwrl!ogicse!mintaka!mit-eddie!cs.umass.EDU!LOISELLE@cs.umass.EDU From: LOISELLE@cs.umass.EDU (Cynthia Loiselle) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Trio Bulgarka question Message-ID: <9004110602.AA28706@crash.cs.umass.edu> Date: 11 Apr 90 07:02:00 GMT Lines: 35 Article-I.D.: crash.9004110602.AA28706 Sender: daemon@eddie.mit.edu (Mr Background) Organization: Love-Hounds Anonymous Lines: 29 Approved: nessus@eddie.mit.edu Dan Rodriguez asks: > Anyone in LoveHoundLand know if there are any Trio Bulgarka releases? Yes. There's a record/CD called _The Forest Is Crying_ by the Trio Bulgarka. You also might want to check out: Le Mystere des Voix Bulgares - volume I (Nonesuch 9 79165-2) by the Bulgarian State Radio and Television Female Vocal Choir (the Trio are soloists with this Choir) Le Mystere des Voix Bulgares - volume II (Nonesuch 9 79201-2) includes songs by various groups, but mostly the aforementioned choir Balkana (Hannibal HNCD 1335) Again, various groups, much more diversity than Mystere-II, includes instrumental dance numbers, but includes the Trio, or members, on about half the tracks. > I've heard they actually tour so I would suspect they would, but I'm > really not sure.... I don't know about the Trio, but the <impossibly-long-name> Choir is currently touring the US. Although I seem to remember someone mentioning that not all the members of the Trio Bulgarka are with them. Still recommended, however! Cindy (loiselle@cs.umass.edu)
uucpadmin@Atherton.COM (UUCP Administrative login) (04/12/90)
Path: athertn!infopiz!decwrl!ogicse!mintaka!mit-eddie!cs.umass.EDU!LOISELLE@cs.umass.EDU From: LOISELLE@cs.umass.EDU (Cynthia Loiselle) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Kate is.... (was Re: General reminder tO all reaDers) Message-ID: <9004110610.AA28710@crash.cs.umass.edu> Date: 11 Apr 90 07:10:00 GMT Lines: 22 Article-I.D.: crash.9004110610.AA28710 Sender: daemon@eddie.mit.edu (Mr Background) Organization: Love-Hounds Anonymous Lines: 16 Approved: nessus@eddie.mit.edu Christopher Oliver asks about IED's reminder: > > Top: Love-Hounds > > From: Andrew Marvick (IED) > > Subject: General reminder tO all reaDers > > > > She really is. > > > >-- Andrew Marvick > > Yes..........What? He's already told you. Recheck the subject line. Cindy (loiselle@cs.umass.edu)
root@IUVAX.CS.INDIANA.EDU (Boss Tweed) (04/13/90)
Path: iuvax!cmatter!eels From: eels@cmatter.physics.indiana.edu (eels) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: capercaille Summary: Does anyone know of midwest tour dates? Message-ID: <41691@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 13 Apr 90 01:30:57 GMT References: <9004120121.AA07722@clutx.clarkson.edu> <79165@tut.cis.ohio-state.edu> Sender: root@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Reply-To: eels@cmatter.UUCP (eels) Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 11 I was pretty startled to see Capercaille mentioned on Gaffa! I had no idea that they were even touring! I was turned on to their unique music via the Public radio program "the Thistle and Shamrock" from UNC/Charlotte and immediately copped their CD _Sidewaulk_ (well worth the effort!). Does anyone know their tour schedule of the midwest or am I too late to catch them? Greg Clark *************************************************************************
root@IUVAX.CS.INDIANA.EDU (Boss Tweed) (04/14/90)
Path: iuvax!silver!jburka From: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Interview CD Message-ID: <41839@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 14 Apr 90 00:44:26 GMT Sender: root@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN. Lines: 18 In a local shop today, I saw an interview CD (ooh! ooh!) It contained two interviews, referring to them as "The Dreaming (1982)" and "Hounds of Love (1985)". The front picture is kinda hard to describe, but on the back of the cover (it's in one of those cheap british single-cd cases) there's a pic of KaTe holding what looks kinda like an electric mandolin. I think the 'publishing' company was something like Baktabak or baktobak or well, something. Anyway...do any of you have this, what are the interviews like, what's a good price for such a beast, if I decide that I can't after all afford it right now am I likely to find it elsewhere without that much of a search, &c &c &c. Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "On the outskirts of nowhere | |jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | on the ringroad to somewhere, | |jburka@amber.ucs.indiana.edu | on the verge of indecision..." --Fish |
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (05/07/90)
Really-From: david!david@cis.ohio-state.edu (David A. Roth) Path: david From: david@david.UUCP (David A. Roth) Newsgroups: alt.emusic,rec.music.beatles,rec.music.bluenote,rec.music.cd,rec.music.classical,rec.music.dementia,rec.music.dylan,rec.music.folk,rec.music.gaffa,rec.music.gdead,rec.music.makers,rec.music.misc,rec.music.newage,rec.music.synth Subject: MUSIC CENSORSHIP Keywords: RRC Rock & Roll Confidential Message-ID: <672@david.UUCP> Date: 7 May 90 03:30:06 GMT Reply-To: david@david.UUCP (David A. Roth) Distribution: world Organization: Columbus, Ohio Lines: 12 In the May 1990 issue of Electronic Musician, page 122 an article appeared written by Craig Anderton called "SELL A RECORD, GO TO JAIL". The article talks about attemps at censorship of music. I thought the following info might be useful to others: "...the newsletter Rock & Roll Confidential offers a pamphlet, You've Got a Right to Rock, that summarizes courses of action ($3 from RRC, Box 15052, Long Beach, CA 90815)..." David david@david.UUCP
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (05/26/90)
Really-From: Boss Tweed <root@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Path: iuvax!silver!jburka From: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Stay Awake Message-ID: <45831@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 25 May 90 21:19:54 GMT Sender: root@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN. Lines: 19 Okay, I'm sure this was covered two years ago when the album came out, but it took me 'til today to get the thing. "Stay Awake: Various Interpretationgs of Music from Vintage Disney Films" is utterly fantastic. Can anyone tell me more 'bout Bill Friskell and Wayne Horvitz? (amongst others that have impressed me on the album; I know who most of the others are) Oh...and a KaTe connection? Why, Stay Awake contains both "Second Star to the Right" and "When You Wish Upon a Star!" (and, as well all know, Dennis likes to look in the mirror...) Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "On the outskirts of nowhere | |jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | on the ringroad to somewhere, | |jburka@amber.ucs.indiana.edu | on the verge of indecision..." --Fish |
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (07/05/90)
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And more on the backwards stuff:
After IED posted his full lyrics to "Watching You Without Me," I pulled
out the handy-dandy digitizer and tried listening to some of the stuff.
I have a lot of trouble making out the backward "You don't hear me."s that
appear mid/end verse. They're obviously there and that's what she's saying,
but it's not as clear as a lot of other backwards-masked stuff (largely
'cause it seems to be meant largely as part of the instrumental score
as opposed to a very blatant secret message that is out in the open for
anyone to grab (such as Floyd's message on "The Wall", which is only on one
track, with no music, so it's easy to manipulate).
What was _really_ fantastic was the repeated "We see you here." that
follows the "Don't ignore me..." part. Before IED posted his lyrics, I
would have sworn that Kate was singing this part forward--I wasn't
sure about the lyrics (I figgered they were something like "We really see."),
but I had no idea this was backwards-masked. When you turn it around, you
hear some amazing singing. Simply too cool--something that sounds 'real'
both forward and backward (I never really agreed with the stuff about "We
let the weirdness in"--sound gibberish to me backward.)
I also played around a bit with the chopped-up parts on WYWM.
The first time I digitized the first part, I happened to only do one
track (I think it was the right track, but I'm not positive). I
reversed it, then listened for IED's purported backward message--"I was
here before, you talked to me, you said that you didn't think it was too
late to help me...". What I heard, though, was the _forward_ message
("Help me baby, help me baby, talk to me..."), though it was a bit
choppier. It sounded like KaTe had simply "chopped" up the original tape and
inserted every-other bit backward--where the backwards bits were a little
shorter than the forward. When I tried digitizing it with _both_ tracks,
I heard IED's message--and his transcription seems pretty close. I haven't
yet had the chance to try this part with just the left track; perhaps this
will shed some light on the matter.
___________
On a completely different matter, I experienced Bliss today--walking along
the beach, the waves washing over my feet, CD player slug over my shoulder,
listening to John Carder reciting (singing? chanting?) the end of "Jig of
Life." Sea gulls crying, wind in my hair, the crash of the waves....oooooh!
"For Now does ride in on the curl of a wave..."
Jeff
|Jeffrey C. Burka | "On the outskirts of nowhere |
|jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | on the ringroad to somewhere, |
|jburka@amber.ucs.indiana.edu | on the verge of indecision..." --Fish |Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (07/05/90)
Really-From: dps@otter.hpl.hp.com (Duncan Smith) >(I never really agreed with the stuff about "We >let the weirdness in"--sound gibberish to me backward.) If you simply run your record deck backwards the backwards message is crystal clear - even with the uneven speed you achieve using your finger! The words are "They simply won't believe." >Jeff Duncan
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (07/22/90)
Really-From: USENET News System <news@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Path: iuvax!silver!jburka From: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: I think you've hit on something! Message-ID: <51693@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 22 Jul 90 00:23:44 GMT References: <9007212201.AA01317@das.llnl.gov> Sender: news@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN. Lines: 46 In article <9007212201.AA01317@das.llnl.gov> Love-Hounds@gaffa.MIT.EDU writes: >Really-From: ed@das.llnl.gov (Edward Suranyi) >I think you're on to something here! In fact, I've noticed it myself. >While I didn't discover her quite at the beginning, the first album of >hers that I heard (and that I fell in love with) was _The Kick Inside_. >Well, I love _The Sensual World_. I haven't yet found any exceptions >to your rule, which I would state as follows: If the first album you >fell in love with was _TKI_ or _Lionheart_, you'll think _TSW_ is a great >album. If the first such album was _TD_, or _HOL_, you won't. I don't >know anybody whose first love is _Never For Ever_. >Ed Here I am. Yeah, me, the one who's first KaTedisc was _Never For Ever_. And, as one might guess from your _rather_ informal 'rule,' I have mixed feelings about TSW. Maybe, though, this has to do with the order in which I grew to love all the albums...completely unchronologically. NFE, HoL, TKI, LH, TD, then TSW. I didn't hear HoL and decide that I _had_ to have TD since it was s'posed to be in a similar vein (of sorts). I spent two or three months trying to get into TSW. Apart from "This Woman's Work" (one of KaTe's best songs ever, regardless of what IED would say of my use of 'best'), the album eluded me. Finally, something clicked... TSW is hardly my favorite KaTe album....that would be HoL. It's definitely not my least favorite...that would be Lionheart. It's somewhere in the middle, hitched up with Never For Ever, slightly behind The Dreaming. "The Fog," "TWW," "Rocket's Tail," "TSW"--these songs are all very KaTe to me. I can complain, as do others, about the wall-of-sound, dense feel of the album, as opposed to something like HoL. I prefer KaTe when her production is light and airy...even when its bashing your head in with the percussion. But geez...something about her "Hmmmm, yess." Ya gotta love it! Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "On the outskirts of nowhere | |jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | on the ringroad to somewhere, | |jburka@amber.ucs.indiana.edu | on the verge of indecision..." --Fish |
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (07/27/90)
Really-From: USENET News System <news@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Path: iuvax!cmatter!greg From: greg@cmatter.physics.indiana.edu (greg) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Don't knock it till spin 500... Summary: test Message-ID: <52281@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 27 Jul 90 00:57:50 GMT References: <STEVEV.90Jul26160636@chemstor.uoregon.edu> Sender: news@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Reply-To: greg@cmatter.UUCP (greg) Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 2 This is only a test ... nothing seems to be getting thru these days.
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (07/27/90)
Really-From: USENET News System <news@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Path: iuvax!cmatter!greg From: greg@cmatter.physics.indiana.edu (greg) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Jane Siberry info needed! Summary: Finally heard some Siberry... Wow, wow, wow, .... Message-ID: <52314@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 27 Jul 90 13:50:18 GMT Sender: news@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Reply-To: greg@cmatter.UUCP (greg) Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 33 A while back, there was alot of talk on Gaffa about Jane Siberry. It sounded like she would be worth looking in to, but being a poor grad student I didn't want to purchase anything that I wasn't too sure about. Recently, I found the _Bound_by_the_Beauty_ CD at our public library and checked it out. I'm ashamed to admit that I listened to the first two tracks and turned it off, quite disappointed that Gaffa led me to some country hick (not to offend anybody, but country music is one thing that I, typically, can not stomach). A while later, I thought that to be fair I should listen to the whole thing. I played the whole thing, but not without repeating "Half Angel, Half Eagle" a half dozen times! Mon Dieu, I was getting spine tingles like those inspired by "Breathing" and "Get Out of My House"! I particularly love the title track (sounds coutry to me, yet quite tasteful - neat time sig. stuff- and the lyrics? Wow.), "Life is the Red Wagon", "Hockey", and "Everthing Reminds Me ..." I felt quite ashamed that I had so horribly misjudged _BBTB_ initially. The point of all this is: where do I go from here? What's a good next CD to look for? I can get _The Walking_ pretty easily, used. I've seen _No_Borders_Here_. Does all her stuff have country influence? Does she use synths on her other stuff? I'm partial to obscure stuff, so if she has some off the wall stuff, that would be good. Any guidance will be useful; I trust now that it will be helpful! Greg Clark P.S. Just for putting my two cents in for the _TSW_ debate, I discovered Kate at the _HoL_ stage. I love all her stuff, including _TSW_. I tend to favor her last two the most because of the maturity of her voice. There has been a definite, steady change in her voice over the years and I, personally, prefer the more mature voice a wee bit more than her younger one. For me, it is primarily her voice that got me hooked on her in the first place!
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (07/28/90)
Really-From: Jeffrey C. Burka <jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu> In article <9007271350.AA12855@rutgers.edu> you write: >Really-From: USENET News System <news@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> > >Path: iuvax!cmatter!greg >From: greg@cmatter.physics.indiana.edu (greg) >Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa >Subject: Jane Siberry info needed! >Summary: Finally heard some Siberry... Wow, wow, wow, .... >Message-ID: <52314@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> >Date: 27 Jul 90 13:50:18 GMT >Sender: news@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu >Reply-To: greg@cmatter.UUCP (greg) >Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington >Lines: 33 > >CD to look for? I can get _The Walking_ pretty easily, used. I've seen >_No_Borders_Here_. Does all her stuff have country influence? Does she >use synths on her other stuff? I'm partial to obscure stuff, so if she >has some off the wall stuff, that would be good. > Any guidance will be useful; I trust now that it will be helpful! > >Greg Clark > Oh, goody...another Love-Hound at IU... (actually, I'm in Wash, DC for the summer...) At the "suggestion" of Vicki, I bought "No Borders Here" about two months ago. WOW. That's all I can say. It's the only Jane I've heard other than "Life's a Red Wagon" (or whatever it's called). The only thing I can compare it to is Laurie Anderson's "Strange Angels" (it's got the same kind of really quirky stuff, with strange spoken bits and such. It's also _very_ melodic, so it doesn't seem to compare too well with Laurie Anderson's other stuff (which I'm not really familiar with). I'd have to say that one of the most intense things I've ever experienced is the song "Map of the World (part one)" from _NBH_. Try it on headphones, lying down, in a dark room. Trust me. Jeff -- |Jeffrey C. Burka | "At night they're seen | |jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | Laughing, loving, | |jburka@amber.ucs.indiana.edu | They know the way to be happy" --KaTe |
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (08/01/90)
Really-From: USENET News System <news@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Path: iuvax!silver!jburka From: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: KATEMAS Message-ID: <52845@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 1 Aug 90 03:25:37 GMT References: <9007311522.AA10986@radar.nrl.navy.mil> Sender: news@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN. Lines: 34 In article <9007311522.AA10986@radar.nrl.navy.mil> Love-Hounds@gaffa.MIT.EDU writes: >Really-From: Maitland Bottoms <bottoms@radar.nrl.navy.mil> >So.... Anyone out there know of a recording (other than Kate's) of Lizzie >Wan? Or even My Lagan Love for that matter? For "My Lagan Love," take a listen at the _Irish Heartbeat_ album--a collaboration 'twixt Van Morrison and the Chieftains. >Maitland... > >P.S. >Those of you who think I only post when I want something... you've >got another peice of evidence. Just be glad I don't post whenever I >want to Flame-Broil someone at random. Yeah, well, now it's my turn. Anybody have an idea of what I should pay for the 12" single of HoL? The track listing I saw was: a)HoL (alternate mix) (think that's how it was described); b1) Jig of Life; b2) The Handsome Cabin Boy. I've found a copy of the record, and I'll probably buy it anyway, but I may wait and look for a cheaper price. Any takers? Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "At night they're seen | |jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | Laughing, loving, | |jburka@amber.ucs.indiana.edu | They know the way to be happy" --KaTe |
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (08/07/90)
Really-From: USENET News System <news@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Path: iuvax!silver!jburka From: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: hol single 12" Message-ID: <53478@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 7 Aug 90 02:34:02 GMT References: <9008010514.AA15973@clutx.clarkson.edu> <1990Aug2.013243.14696@eddie.mit.edu> Sender: news@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN. Lines: 14 >THAT'S THE EMI *** BRITISH *** RELEASE!!!! Ohjeezohjeezohjeez... It's been 9 days. Wonder if the single is still there. Guess I'll find out tomorrow! Nervously fingering his change, Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "At night they're seen | |jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | Laughing, loving, | |jburka@amber.ucs.indiana.edu | They know the way to be happy" --KaTe |
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (08/10/90)
Really-From: USENET News System <news@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Path: iuvax!silver!jburka From: jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu (Jeffrey C. Burka) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: The boxed set and not-so-rare new-to-CD material Message-ID: <53946@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 10 Aug 90 01:16:58 GMT References: <50F0862B983F000522@cs.umass.EDU> Sender: news@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington IN. Lines: 24 In article <50F0862B983F000522@cs.umass.EDU> Love-Hounds@gaffa.MIT.EDU writes: >Really-From: "Cindy, the Coaster Rider" <LOISELLE@cs.umass.EDU> > [lots of stuff about being able to get un-rare B'sides and stuff] > Cindy Loiselle YEAH! What she said! So far, the only non-album stuff I've gotten is the "This Woman's Work" 12" single, the stuff on "Aspects..." and the "HoL" 12" (thanks to those who answered my query). This gives me a total of 6 non-lp cuts (Ken; Be Kind...; I'm Still Waiting; instrumental TSW; Alternative Hounds; Handsome Cabin Boy). I've looked for other stuff and haven't found it (yet). Doesn't it excite at least some of you to be able to get _all_ this stuff in one fell swoop _and_ on CD at the same time? I'm incredibly glad to have Alternative Hounds and Handsome Cabin Boy...but I'd love 'em that much more if they were on CD. Jeff |Jeffrey C. Burka | "At night they're seen | |jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | Laughing, loving, | |jburka@amber.ucs.indiana.edu | They know the way to be happy" --KaTe |
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (09/21/90)
Really-From: news@Atherton.COM (News Administrator) Path: athertn!infopiz!lupine!uunet!snorkelwacker!usc!cs.utexas.edu!yale!mintaka!bloom-beacon!GAFFA.MIT.EDU!Love-Hounds-request From: Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: THE CD BOX SET Summary: Where and How? Keywords: Questions, Questions, Questions... Message-ID: <3873.26f84824@infocomm.com> Date: 20 Sep 90 11:40:04 GMT Lines: 35 I've probably missed the posting, but can anyone tell Message-ID: <9040@ccncsu.ColoState.EDU> Date: 18 Sep 90 21:52:45 GMT Sender: Love-Hounds-request@gaffa.MIT.EDU Reply-To: Love-Hounds@gaffa.MIT.EDU Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Lines: 26 Approved: love-hounds@eddie.mit.edu Really-From: news@ccncsu.ColoState.EDU (USENET news) From: colburn@handel.CS.ColoState.Edu (Alex Colburn) Path: handel.CS.ColoState.Edu!colburn Also I'm trying to get a copy of the CD of Live At the Hammersmith, anyone have any suggestions? While I'm at it, I'm having a difficult time getting my hands on the video for Live at the Hammersmith. It seems that it is not in distribution anymore. The video stores don't even have rental copies! Anyone know how I get a copy? If and when I can get these little items (and even if I can't), I think it would be good excuse for a Kate Fest. If anyone is interested I'll post the date and other details as soon as I can figure them out. Thanks for any info on the CD's & video, Alex Oh yeah. I noticed in a few listings of Kate CD's that people had forgetten about Aspects of the Sensual World. That was one CD I COULD find, even though it only has 5 pieces, it still counts as a CD doesn't it?
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (09/21/90)
Really-From: news@Atherton.COM (News Administrator) Path: athertn!infopiz!decwrl!wuarchive!rex!samsung!cs.utexas.edu!yale!mintaka!bloom-beacon!GAFFA.MIT.EDU!Love-Hounds-request From: Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: THE CD BOX SET Summary: Where and How? Keywords: Questions, Questions, Questions... Message-ID: <3882.26f8f69f@infocomm.com> Date: 21 Sep 90 00:04:30 GMT Lines: 35 I've probably missed the posting, but can anyone tell Message-ID: <9040@ccncsu.ColoState.EDU> Date: 18 Sep 90 21:52:45 GMT Sender: Love-Hounds-request@gaffa.MIT.EDU Reply-To: Love-Hounds@gaffa.MIT.EDU Organization: Colorado State University, Fort Collins, CO 80523 Lines: 26 Approved: love-hounds@eddie.mit.edu Really-From: news@ccncsu.ColoState.EDU (USENET news) From: colburn@handel.CS.ColoState.Edu (Alex Colburn) Path: handel.CS.ColoState.Edu!colburn Also I'm trying to get a copy of the CD of Live At the Hammersmith, anyone have any suggestions? While I'm at it, I'm having a difficult time getting my hands on the video for Live at the Hammersmith. It seems that it is not in distribution anymore. The video stores don't even have rental copies! Anyone know how I get a copy? If and when I can get these little items (and even if I can't), I think it would be good excuse for a Kate Fest. If anyone is interested I'll post the date and other details as soon as I can figure them out. Thanks for any info on the CD's & video, Alex Oh yeah. I noticed in a few listings of Kate CD's that people had forgetten about Aspects of the Sensual World. That was one CD I COULD find, even though it only has 5 pieces, it still counts as a CD doesn't it?
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (10/02/90)
Really-From: USENET News System <news@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Path: iuvax!cmatter!greg From: greg@cmatter.physics.indiana.edu (greg) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Fripp tour Summary: League of Crafty Guitarists tour! Message-ID: <61575@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 1 Oct 90 17:43:11 GMT Sender: news@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Reply-To: greg@cmatter.UUCP (greg) Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 24 I just saw Fripp and the League of Crafty Guitarists at Jake's here in Bloomington last Saturday. If anyone has a chance to see them, it's well worth it. They were simply amazing. Any Fripp fan or guitar lover would appreciate it! There was also a female vocalist with them who would sing between movements. I did not catch her name and it wasn't published in the review in our local paper. Does anyone know who she is? Her a cappella performances were incredible. In preparing for the performance, I went through my Fripp collection and listened to The Leage of Gentlemen. Danielle Dax sings the cut Minor Man, which I didn't realize before. I only know her from that cut and words from Gaffa. Is this cut typical of her style, or is this quite different than her other work? *********************************************************************** * * * "Ah well, that's this world * * Greg Clark over, * * greg@cmatter.physics.indiana.edu Ah well, next one begins .." * * -Andy Partridge * * * ***********************************************************************
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (10/08/90)
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Subject: Looking for some files
Summary: help!
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A few days ago, I managed to trash one of the floppies of my hard drive
backup. Naturally, this didn't happen until _after_ I'd reformatted the
drive.
Unfortunately, the most important things I lost were 3 KaTe-related
files. I'd rather not have to wade through the entire archives trying
to find this stuff (assuming I can find the stuff at all), and I was
hoping some of you might have these three short items sequestered away
in your private archives. The three are:
a) hmmm...can't remember who it was specifically (think it was |>oug), but
someone posted their idea of what the three whispered lines during "SiG"
are (the first one being, "I caught a glimpse of a god/all shiny(ing)
and bright)
b) The 'official' (by John Carder Bush's mouth) transcription of the
end of the "Jig of Life." I'm pretty positive I can write it out from
memory, but I'd like to have the offical version anyway; I often send
it and the next request out to friends and such who are KaTe fans and
it'd be nice to have 'em.
c) a long time ago, someone posted a chunk o' interview in which KaTe
went through and described, briefly, the story line of "The Ninth
Wave," as well as the basis behind each of the songs. I've posted
this once or twice to .gaffa myself during arguements about what the
suite means, so I'm hoping someone will have this one.
So...can anyone help? It'd be incredibly appreciated!
Hmmm...let's make this fair... A while ago (march?) I sampled some
brief KaTe clips, from TSW. I use one of 'em, the "yeah" from Love & Anger,
as a system beep on my Atari ST. The aren't great, but they're definitely
usable; I have some at 10Khz and some at 31.5Khz (I think). If anybody
wants 'em, drop me a line and I'll try to mail 'em to you, UUEncoded.
They're straight data files, and should be usable on Macs and Amigas; anything
else, you're on your own.
Jeff
|Jeffrey C. Burka | "At night they're seen |
|jburka@silver.ucs.indiana.edu | Laughing, loving, |
|jburka@amber.ucs.indiana.edu | They know the way to be happy" --KaTe |Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (11/09/90)
Really-From: USENET News System <news@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Path: iuvax!cmatter!greg From: greg@cmatter.physics.indiana.edu (greg) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: "Watching You Without Me" comp. Message-ID: <70645@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 8 Nov 90 18:10:22 GMT References: <CMM.0.88.658085312.relph@presto.ig.com> Sender: news@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Reply-To: greg@cmatter.UUCP (greg) Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 15 I have a question that was probably answered on Gaffa a long time ago, before I started reading it. Does anyone know the answer to the "watching you Without Me" comp in the KBC? It's the one where you attempt to decode what Kate is singing in said song where it sounds like backwards singing or some bizzarre language. Any ideas? Also, I'm curious to know if any Gaffa readers are into Univers Zero and if anyone has heard if they are working on anything new. Greg Clark "I'm at high tide!" greg@cmatter.physics.indiana.edu -L.A.
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (11/13/90)
Really-From: John Nienart <nienart@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Path: iuvax!nienart From: nienart@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu (John Nienart) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Boxed set in Bloomington Summary: You can even get it here Keywords: cheap, wonderful Message-ID: <71295@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 12 Nov 90 16:47:49 GMT Reply-To: nienart@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Distribution: rec Organization: Indiana U. C.Sci. Perennial Grad Students Assoc. Lines: 17 In case any Midwestern Love-Hounds who haven't gotten the box yet, Ozarka Records in Bloomington, Indiana special-ordered it for me for cost plus 10% plus shipping, total $149 and change, plus tax. Buy it; it's wonderful! Now a question (perhaps this has been answered already, but I haven't been paying attention): is there any difference between the versions of Walk Straight Down the Middle on TSW and on TWW I? Inquiring minds can't find any. Thanks. --John -------------------------------------------------------------------- John Nienart IU Computer Science nienart@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu "You paid $150 for two CDs?!" -my wife --------------------------------------------------------------------
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (11/13/90)
Really-From: Gary Hill <G.J.Hill@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Path: sot-ecs!gjh From: gjh@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Gary Hill) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: HERESY on Threee Counts! Message-ID: <5171@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Date: 13 Nov 90 10:40:41 GMT References: <9011092213.AA12419@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> Distribution: world Organization: University of Southampton, UK Lines: 92 In <9011092213.AA12419@EDDIE.MIT.EDU> Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU writes: >Really-From: nrc@cbema.att.com (Neal R Caldwell, Ii) >Some do not have the entire collection on CD, some do not have the >original UK pressings, some have never even heard many of the B-sides, The records/CDs in the box set are not original UK pressings, the 1st four albums have been on the mid-priced Fame record label for at least 4 years in the UK and these are the albums that are distributed with the box. I considered buying the box until I saw the ridiculous price being charged (70# sterling for LPs). When you consider that the first four LPs are five pounds each and the last two around eight pounds, the three others (I understand there are three LPs for the TWW stuff?) then come in at 11 pounds each which is the going rate for a single CD! Admittedly the whole thing is packaged up and includes some pictures but when you consider that a lot of people will already have all the studio stuff, the pricing seems rather steep to me. In fact blatant con is the term I have been using! I just hope that the record company do what hapeened with a recent Jethro Tull box set and release the new stuff separately. Or I'll wait a while for the price to halve like it did with the Bruce Springsteen 5LP set. I just object when dedicated fans are taken for a ride and have to buy duplicate material to keep collections complete, let alone pay over the odds for it! Gary Hill, gjh@uk.ac.soton.ecs >some would like to have the entire set in one nice package. Calling >the set crass because it addresses needs that you don't happen to >share is silly. >I've yet to hear reports of anyone being forced to buy the set at >gun-point so any "shake-down" is purely a figment of your >imagination. >> Five years later, I am worried. It has helped me to understand >> all this to have John Carder Bush's CATHY set. Jay is 14 years older >> than Cathy as they conspire together, he to be a photographer, she to >> be a presence. One can simply see in these photographs the birth of >> what beguiles us in the Kate Bush they were inventing, with Paddy as >Here's where I start to disagree with your conclusions. I don't >believe that there was ever a plan of this sort. Now that you mention >it I wouldn't be surprised if Kate's early experience as "the >observed" in Jay's photography helped her to develop the lack of >inhibition that she displays in her early performances but I don't >think there's any real evidence that Kate's image was a Bush family >conspiracy. >> Well sister Kate is older now, and it's less and less >> appropriate for her to be working inside an image she came to with her >> brothers and Del. The Kate Bush they saw in her, and she performed >> for us forever--in "The Kick Inside" and the Hammersmith video from >> the Tour of Life--had room for three more albums, but it ended with >> "Hounds of Love." Dead and drowned, that Kate will forever live again >> to tell her mother, tell her father, tell her brothers how much she >> loves them. >It seems to me that the image of Kate that you're talking about didn't >drown at the end of The Ninth Wave, it was blown up in a bank robbery, >killed with a grenade, lost on a secret mission, drown in a straight- >jacket and finally thrown out of the house in _The Dreaming_. >There seem to be different forces at work here. First of all, at >some point Kate seems to have discovered all those inhibitions and >insecurities about her work and herself that she escaped so easily >early in her career. At the same time she moved in the direction >of more and more dense music. >At some point after _Hounds of Love_ it seems as though the density >of Kate's work reached critical mass. At some point while trying to >realize her vision of the music that was to become _The Sensual World_ >I have to wonder if maybe it didn't become more of a labor than a >labor of love. >None of this means that Kate is finished, she just needs a slightly >different direction. The recent HMV/Q interview gives reason to hope >that the boxed set has provided her with the perspective to find that >direction. >"Don't drive too slowly." Richard Caldwell > AT&T Network Systems > att!cbnews!nrc > nrc@cbnews.att.com
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (11/21/90)
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From: kaufman@delta.eecs.nwu.edu (Michael L. Kaufman)
Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa
Subject: Convention video question
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Somebody said that the video that they showed will never be sold. Is that
something they said at the convention or a guess or what? I (and I am sure
all the people who wern't at the con) would love to see it.
Michael
(T, if she comes to NY, do we have a date? M)
Michael Kaufman | I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships
kaufman | on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched C-beams glitter
@eecs.nwu.edu | in the dark near the Tannhauser gate. All these moments will
| be lost in time - like tears in rain. Time to die.Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (11/27/90)
Really-From: Gary Hill <G.J.Hill@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Path: sot-ecs!gjh From: gjh@ecs.soton.ac.uk (Gary Hill) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Box set to be featured tomorrow on KITS Message-ID: <5417@ecs.soton.ac.uk> Date: 27 Nov 90 10:40:57 GMT References: <DNB.90Nov26151108@meshugge.media.mit.edu> <9011262117.AA00731@das.llnl.gov> <DNB.90Nov26182315@meshugge.media.mit.edu> Distribution: world Organization: University of Southampton, UK Lines: 26 In <DNB.90Nov26182315@meshugge.media.mit.edu> Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU writes: >Really-From: dnb@meshugge.media.mit.edu (David N. Blank) >> Well, Kate didn't tell us that she wanted us to keep this secret. >> She said she wanted us to be the first to know! I don't think it >> should be kept secret. >True. I just noted that she didn't tell you that it was an official >press release, either. It seemed from the descriptions I heard that >she was either in the process of making up her mind, or working out >the details. In either case, I think if I was an artist I might tell >my friends that I was considering a tour, but not the press directly >so they didn't force decisions or details from me. I have not doubt >about Mr. Hamilton's fandom, I just hope he presents it as nebulously >as Kate presented it to you so this doesn't snowball out of her >control. > Peace, > dNb The news was in the UK music press last week, where they got it from I don't know, but it would seem to be a bit quick for the grapevine effect. I think it was melody maker I read it in, but I can't remember. So maybe there was actually a low key press release? Gary Hill, gjh@uk.ac.soton.ecs
Love-Hounds-request@GAFFA.MIT.EDU (11/28/90)
Really-From: USENET News System <news@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Path: iuvax!cmatter!greg From: greg@cmatter.physics.indiana.edu (greg) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: DCD & CT Chgo Shows, a newcomer's view Summary: The 'Watching You without Me' KBC comp. Message-ID: <74798@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu> Date: 27 Nov 90 17:26:21 GMT References: <9011271610.AA21398@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu> Sender: news@iuvax.cs.indiana.edu Reply-To: greg@cmatter.UUCP (greg) Organization: Indiana University, Bloomington Lines: 20 I'm reposting a request that I made before the Konvention. In the excitement of it all, it went unnoticed. By the way, I appreciate all the coverage on the Konvention, esp. IED's transcription. Thanks! My request concerns the KBC comp for 'Watching You Without Me'. Does anyone know the answer to this one (ie. what is KaTe singing in the intermediate part of the song)? Surely someone must know! Thanks in advance. -|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-| | - - Greg Clark 'I'm at high tide!' | | - - greg@cmatter.physics.indiana.edu -L.A. | | - - | |-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-|-
news@CSE.OGI.EDU (USENET Pseudo-user) (04/26/91)
Path: ogicse!sequent!talon.UCS.ORST.EDU!news.cs.indiana.edu!nstn.ns.ca!cs.dal.ca!ug.cs.dal.ca!graham From: graham@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael Graham) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Quick question Message-ID: <1991Apr25.192927.14051@cs.dal.ca> Date: 25 Apr 91 19:29:27 GMT Article-I.D.: cs.1991Apr25.192927.14051 Posted: Thu Apr 25 12:29:27 1991 References: <1991Apr25.152241.1718@athena.mit.edu> Sender: news@cs.dal.ca (USENET News) Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada Lines: 19 Nntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca In article <1991Apr25.152241.1718@athena.mit.edu> kyrlidis@athena.mit.EDU (Agathagelos Kyrlidis) writes: >Hi, > >Here's a trivia question: > >How could Kate Bush be related to Madonna's new movie? > Isn't Madonna going to be in the next Woody Allen movie - I guess he wanted a challenge. Hopefully she will have a tiny part and Diane Keaton will star, with Mia Farrow as supporting actress. Allen, would, of course, play the main role. Somehow I don't see Kate fitting into this...unless she has changed direction and is singing old jazz tunes. :) If you REALLY like Woody Allen films, mail me. For me what Diane Keaton is on the screen is sort of what Kate is through the speakers. mike
news@vela.UUCP (USENET News System) (04/29/91)
Path: vela!umich!umeecs!msi.umn.edu!news.cs.indiana.edu!nstn.ns.ca!cs.dal.ca!ug.cs.dal.ca!graham From: graham@ug.cs.dal.ca (Michael Graham) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Nigel Kennedy & Kate Message-ID: <1991Apr27.183921.2859@cs.dal.ca> Date: 27 Apr 91 18:39:21 GMT References: <1991Apr26.233644.16914@cbnewse.att.com> Sender: news@cs.dal.ca (USENET News) Distribution: na Organization: Math, Stats & CS, Dalhousie University, Halifax, NS, Canada Lines: 14 Nntp-Posting-Host: ug.cs.dal.ca In article <1991Apr26.233644.16914@cbnewse.att.com> lizard@ihlpf.att.COM (Russell J Neumann) writes: >Just a brief note to the Love Hounds: When Nigel Kennedy >played a concert [which was fabulous BTW] in Chicago this >week, Mayor Daley issued a proclamation declaring April >23, 1991 to be Nigel Kennedy day in Chicago. In the text >of the proclamation he mentioned Kate by name as being >one of the artists of note that Nigel has worked with. >So I guess someone on the Mayor's staff is pretty cool. > >Russ Neumann Wooooooah! Was there any ceremony. I trust that Nigel DIDN'T dress up :) mike
news@ANAXAGORAS.ILS.NWU.EDU (05/22/91)
Path: ils.nwu.edu!aristotle.ils.nwu.edu!barger From: barger@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Jorn Barger) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Vickie sez... Message-ID: <1807@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> Date: 21 May 91 22:14:17 GMT References: <9105211757.AA10781@das.llnl.gov> Sender: news@ils.nwu.edu Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences Lines: 6 ed@DAS.LLNL.GOV (Edward J. Suranyi) writes: > Uh, unless I'm greatly mistaken, KCRW is an NPR station in > Southern California -- Santa Monica, to be specific. uhhhh... she def. said it was NPR. I _thought_ she said sacramento, but...
news@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.EDU (05/24/91)
Path: ils.nwu.edu!aristotle.ils.nwu.edu!barger From: barger@aristotle.ils.nwu.edu (Jorn Barger) Newsgroups: rec.music.gaffa Subject: Re: Happy Info (for the uninitiated) Message-ID: <1841@anaxagoras.ils.nwu.edu> Date: 23 May 91 21:40:53 GMT References: <9105231839.AA02732@chem.nwu.edu> Sender: news@ils.nwu.edu Organization: The Institute for the Learning Sciences Lines: 5 stern@CHEM.NWU.EDU (Charlotte "mjm" Stern) writes: > Warpaint 1991 > This is available only on CD. oops. CD and tape, of course.