[soc.feminism] Pure Math was Re: Book Review-------Staying Alive by Vandana Shiva

cel@romeo.cs.duke.edu (Christopher Emery Lane) (08/11/90)

In article <1990Aug6.004419.8001@vlsi.waterloo.edu> arun@vlsi.waterloo.edu (Arun Achyuthan) writes:

>>but while I understand the arguments I don't agree with them. Any effort
>>of concentration (be it knitting or be it posting a well thought out article
>>on this net) requires an ability to remove everything except what is in front of
>>you from your mind. This is not inherently male or female. My mother, when she
>>sings Carnatic Music is oblivious to her surroundings. And she remembers the
>>years of hard work involved in acquiring the skill. I am talking about the
>>mechanics and the craftsmanship she had to learn, just to do well, and not the
>>artistry. She would expect the same concentration from me when I did 
>>mathematics (she was a Physics teacher). I have seen similar things in my
>>Grandmother. 

>I think you are confusing concentration with divergent knowledge. I agree
>with what you say about requiring concentration, but my point was that
>it is not all justified when somebody says "I don't care what will be the
>widespread impact of my research or discovery, all I am interested in is
>the beauty behind it and the satisfaction that I derive in the execution".

This is fascinating to me; I am currently applying for grad school in pure
math.  My feelings towards pure math certainly encompass the feeling that I
do it with no thought of the "widespread impact of my research or discovery."
This I believe is essential to doing any skill.  For one thing, most (or maybe
only some) pure math has no predictable impact will ever be useful.  Of
course, trying to only do research that has a discernably useful effect
will in the long run not increase the amount of useful skills and techniques
we know.   At the same time, mathematicians must be aware of who is using what
they develop, and, I think, shun destructive owners.  The pure mathematician,
like anyone, should own the whole of what they produce; this means the
mathematician has a stake in whether it is used by the NSA for destabilizing
the third world, or by an environmental research group to understand
biological stability; the mathematician also has a stake in whether or not
they are teaching in a university that is primarily a production facility for
technically skilled people that will do what they are called to do or a place
where people who can be active agents in creating a society that works in
human terms.  However, despite my dislike for splitting off things, the math
and the broader questions seem to be distinct.  It's really silly to try to
make mathematics have a socially useful content, and it's sad for a
mathematician to deny themself completely the pleasure of doing math for the
sake of the struggle.  

I have long fantasized about a journal called the Feminist Journal of
Mathematics, which would have a 1/2 and 1/2 format; half math, and half
articles relating to the difficulties of gender, hierarchy, and social
responsibility in the world of math academics.  Tips on how to fight gender
discrimination, tales of setting up on-site childcare for faculty and staff,
problems encountered in trying to mesh fatherhood and research, where to get
non-defense grants, etc., in between articles on large cardinals, PDE's,
p-adic fields, the differences between algebraic and differentiable manifolds,
whatever. 

What exactly did you mean by "divergent knowledge"?

In my opinion, the problem is mathematicians that lack the confidence
or courage to consider themselves anything other than mathematicians.
One may be a mathematician, but that doesn't mean one is not a human, a
creative part of society, with the opportunities and responsibilities
that entails.

Chris  
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