gazit@cs.duke.EDU (Hillel Gazit) (10/24/90)
>>Still the anti-porno laws that were written by Catherine MacKinnon and >>Andrea Dworkin outlawed porno where men are not in control as well; >>S&M with female dominant / male submissive and all-men gay porno were >>outlawed because it is supposed to be "a form of discrimination >>against women" (it was written in the *law* so stop laughing). >>I think that these women just did not like *all* form of porno and >>they think that they have the right to outlaw any material that they >>don't like, and shout "it degrades women" just because they feel so. In article <kaveh.656432661@s.ms.uky.edu> (Kaveh Baharestan) writes: >I don't know which laws you are talking about. Could you please clearify >or tell me where to find the written laws? -thanks. I find it interesting that you give strong claims about Porno && Dworkin, but you have not bothered yourself to read the key laws she helped to write. I quote here part of the anti-porno ordinance of Minneapolis. This ordinance was vetoed by the mayor. A similar ordinance (written by MacKinnon) was passed in Indianapolis, but was nuked by the Court. #(gg) Pornography. Pornography is a form of discrimination on the #basis of sex. # #(1) Pornography is the sexually explicit subordination of women, #graphically depicted, whether in pictures or in words, that also #includes one or more of the following: # #(i) women are presented as dehumanized sexual objects, things, #or commodities; or # #(ii) women are presented as sexual objects who enjoy pain or #humiliation; or # #(iii) women are presented as sexual objects who experience #sexual pleasure in being raped; or # #(iv) women are presented as sexual objects tied up or cut up #or mutilated or bruised or physically hurt; or # #(v) women are presented in postures of sexual submission; or # #(vi) women's body parts - including but not limited to vaginas, #breasts, and buttocks - are exhibited, such that women are reduced #to those parts; or # #(vii) women are presented as whores by nature; or # #(viii) women are presented being penetrated by objects or animals; or # #(ix) women are presented in scenarios of degradation, injury, #abasement, torture, shown as filthy or inferior, bleeding, bruised, #or hurt in context that makes these conditions sexual. # #(2)The use of men, children or transsexual in the place of women... in #pornography for the purposes of... this statute. *I* see this law as feminist CowShit. The most bizarre notion is the idea that all-men gay porno is a form of discrimination on the basis of sex... >>No, but I know people who are excited by *playing* a game like this. >>The porno you described is a *play* between adults and not a real >>rape. I hope that you can see the difference. >Most people don't. Most people have never asked for your help. *I* certainly don't want you to decide about that for me. Hillel gazit@cs.duke.edu "Those who do not remember history are doomed to sound silly." --Carole Ashmore