gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit) (03/08/91)
#Do you try to claim that your "scholarly objective evaluations of AA", is #more valid, with respect to "white ethnic males", then their experiences?! In article <1991Feb24.192139.1421@xanadu.com> nadja@xanadu.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes: >I would agree with Lurkette that scholarly studies are probably more >accurate than the perceptions of ethnic males; I wonder what you will say after "scholarly studies" will tell you that women are better off when they have to sit at home and raise kids... (And *please* read in "The Feminine Mystique" about the situation when the "scholarly studies" said so, before you answer.) Hillel gazit@cs.duke.edu "When I do it to you it's sexism, when you do it to me it's feminism."
jdravk@speech2.cs.cmu.edu (Jeanette Dravk) (03/09/91)
In article <667506522@lime.cs.duke.edu> gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit) writes: >In article <1991Feb24.192139.1421@xanadu.com> nadja@xanadu.COM (Nadja Adolf) writes: >>I would agree with Lurkette that scholarly studies are probably more >>accurate than the perceptions of ethnic males; >I wonder what you will say after "scholarly studies" will tell you >that women are better off when they have to sit at home and raise >kids... Hmm... so I guess *men* would be better off staying at home raising the kids too, right? So why don't we _all_ just sit at home and watch the little ones crawl around? I suppose that's ridiculous? About as ridiculous as saying that only one gender would benefit from being a homemaker more than the other. Feh! >(And *please* read in "The Feminine Mystique" about the situation when >the "scholarly studies" said so, before you answer.) Yah, and while you're at it, don't forget to keep up on the studies on depression (documented to be more common in women) in which one of the leading causes is _boredom_. I'll post the study group that recently got published on this if I can find the clipping (I _hope_ I save it!). :) j- -- #*#*#*#*#*# Transient Creature of the Wide, Wild World #*#*#*#*#*#*#* "Time is not linear to me, it is a nebulous web of existential freedom."
gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit) (03/13/91)
#I would agree with Lurkette that scholarly studies are probably more #accurate than the perceptions of ethnic males; $I wonder what you will say after "scholarly studies" will tell you $that women are better off when they have to sit at home and raise $kids... In article <1991Mar8.195502.12099@ora.com> (Jeanette Dravk) writes: >Hmm... so I guess *men* would be better off staying at home raising the >kids too, right? So why don't we _all_ just sit at home and watch the >little ones crawl around? Two women claimed that affirmative action for women is good for men, and used some studies to justify their position. Would you, or them, or the rest of net.feminists will think about reversing the argument and claiming that affirmative action for "white ethnic males" will be good for a woman? I guess that being a woman who is looking for revenge and/or a feminist means that you can reverse the sexes only in one half of the examples...
muffy@remarque.berkeley.edu (Muffy Barkocy) (03/28/91)
In article <668543857@lear.cs.duke.edu> gazit@cs.duke.edu (Hillel Gazit) writes: #I would agree with Lurkette that scholarly studies are probably more #accurate than the perceptions of ethnic males; $I wonder what you will say after "scholarly studies" will tell you $that women are better off when they have to sit at home and raise $kids... In article <1991Mar8.195502.12099@ora.com> (Jeanette Dravk) writes: >Hmm... so I guess *men* would be better off staying at home raising the >kids too, right? So why don't we _all_ just sit at home and watch the >little ones crawl around? Two women claimed that affirmative action for women is good for men, and used some studies to justify their position. Would you, or them, or the rest of net.feminists will think about reversing the argument and claiming that affirmative action for "white ethnic males" will be good for a woman? Sure, I'll think about it. So, what would an AA program for men be like? The point for minorities is to hire them "fairly," generally by proportion of the population, right? Okay, so if we instituted a program to hire white ethnic males in the same proportions as they appear in the population, what would happen? ($think, $think) Hey! There will be more jobs for women, since less men will be hired! Wow! It would benefit women! I guess that being a woman who is looking for revenge and/or a feminist means that you can reverse the sexes only in one half of the examples... *laugh*...nah, guess again. Muffy
gazit@cs.duke.EDU (Hillel Gazit) (03/30/91)
# Two women claimed that affirmative action for women is good for men, # and used some studies to justify their position. Would you, or them, # or the rest of net.feminists will think about reversing the argument # and claiming that affirmative action for "white ethnic males" will be # good for a woman? In article <MUFFY.91Mar13071236@remarque.berkeley.edu> (Muffy Barkocy) writes: >Sure, I'll think about it. So, what would an AA program for men be >like? Just like what AA programs for women have been claimed to be: between all candidates of equal qualification pick the "white ethnic male." >The point for minorities is to hire them "fairly," generally by >proportion of the population, right? For some reason the term "affirmative action program" causes you to think about quotas. Would you mind to explain why?