[soc.religion.christian] Arguing in this group

meuer@quasifuchs (Mark Meuer) (08/04/89)

This is a response to a previous note where someone said that they are
going to unsubscribe to this group because the discussion here tended
to be bickering rather than upbuilding, and was often not carried out
with a spirit of love.  The moderator responded with the fact that he
only posts what is submitted. (I didn't save the letter, so forgive me
if this is not an accurate summary.)

I agree with both of these points, so I have a request for everyone
who reads this group.  Would you pray for the group every time that
you start to read it?  Every time that you read a post you disagree
with, would you take some time out to pray for that person?  It is SO
easy for a forum like this to degenerate into endless arguing.  If we
bathe soc.religion.christian in prayer, God WILL permeate it and bless
it and use it as a tool for His glory.

Please do not take this as a criticism.  I'm sure that many of you
already do pray like this.  It's humbling to realize that I've been
reading this group for many months and this thought just occurred to me
today.

I'm excited to think that along with talking about Jesus, we can all
be talking with Him as well.

The peace of the Lord be with all of you.

-mark

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hassell@ncar.ucar.edu (Christopher Hassell) (08/09/89)

<Aug.3.23.43.05.1989.2125@athos.rutgers.edu> meuer@quasifuchs (Mark Meuer)
	writes:

# This is a response to a previous note where someone said that they are
# going to unsubscribe to this group because the discussion here tended
# to be bickering rather than upbuilding, and was often not carried out
# with a spirit of love.
...
# I agree with both of these points, so I have a request for everyone
# who reads this group.  Would you pray for the group every time that
# you start to read it?  Every time that you read a post you disagree
# with, would you take some time out to pray for that person? 
...

Isn't it on us all, to see what kinds of futile and near-meaningless haggling
we can perpetuate....without need for resolution.

This issue is one that I have confronted somewhat myself in this group. 

I belive the "effect" of which articles are posted to this group is merely an
effect of what Usenet is for in some ways.  

Myself and other posters in some ways wish that such a group with a dedicatedly 
"Christian" arena of discussion, like this one, could be a place for support, 
discussions with agreements and encouragement, and comfort.  Basically our wish 
(I believe) is to have a forum that is an interesting place to be more Christian
without many of the concerns and/or prejudices that face-to-face organizations 
sometimes produce.  (in that I mean that very few cliques and centralized groups
are created and "acceptance" comes almost always from a knowledgible post or two
here on Usenet.)

That is what I belive I would wish upon this group, if it could be, so that
Usenet can provide a place for those like myself who see some difficulty in
finding more thoughtful fellowship with the Groups that are available, in my
knowledge.  In some ways I've seen some more unabashedly Christian postings here
than I've seen for years at my church, I think its the lack of confrontation 
meself.  In that respect, this group has succeded with the ideal I presented 
before.

But, to continue with this point, the reality I see is also that Usenet is a
place to take the generic and global discussions that exist for everyone who
watches events and issues.  The discussions/debates that people would have not
attempted, for fear of offending a brother in the faith or creating turmoil in
general, are attempted here.  Issues that have divided up Protestantism and
have made such a diversity of worship possible still exist here and are
discussed with gentleman(or woman)ly concern.  Discussion about political and
current event policy also enter the fray as more justified subjects.  This, this
group, is not the same possible group that I spoke of above.  

I believe that sort of group would be very nice and is even a requiem for the 
net for those who follow Jesus.  I cannot see this newsgroup's declaration any
time soon, in any sort of net resembling this one.

Alas, such a strong bond of such value binds us all as Christians, and yet
there is enough room to clash idea against idea.  A group that can actually
accept the "New Age"y Worldly-ethic of "accepting diversity" and yet still
know when to rebuke seeds of discontent and un-love and things that detatch us
from God ... there, that group would be one that could survive and prosper and
consolidate us as we who follow Christ face issues of rejection and even seeds
of hate and persecution today, along with the concern we have for the
non-believers in this fallen world.

I would like to continue some points in here, but I fear they are not
yet very clear in this bleary mind....|-<> <yawn>.

I would like to consider more of what Christians ought to be doing when
almost all Christianity is church and some political stances <all value
oriented> shown to the outside world, with a goodly bunch of daily kindness 
packed in for Godly measure :->.  Christianity isn't considering itself against
The World <in a battle of Love>, it is considering itself AS The World's Leaders
and in some ways AS THE WORLD ITSELF.  (as if we could rule it until it's holy)

When we show off all of our own well-formed opinions on subjects such as Mass
and Baptism and Biblical Literature, in most ways we are doing precisely and
nearly nothing.  This Christianity-Space, is just an erudite show-off zone
in one deeply-seated facet.  The fact that that sort of activity is so popular
shows something of how closely our own hearts percieve the Lord.  The fact
that not many other issues make it here shows how much of our Christian-hood
pokes out into the colder world, the world which would show us less comfort.

The lack of other subjects simply shows something of what we consider Christ to
mean to what we say and want to say here.  I feel unity is something we have
become too apathetic towards.  Unity of Christianity is not an issue of
coalitions of people ready to Rule More of The World, but it is simply what we
really are, one, not ONE INTEREST GROUP, not ONE CULTURAL GROUP, and not ONE
RELIGIO-POLITICAL GROUP <though everyone KNOWS that's all churches are :-b>.  

I believe I'm rambling too much, forgive me.  I'll give it a better try later.
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