[soc.religion.christian] Paul and the Law

davidbu@tekigm2.men.tek.com (David Buxton) (11/24/89)

It is my observation that the writings of Paul  are  largely  where  people
find  their  texts  by  which to do away with the law.  Please consider the
following three texts:

     "Bear in mind that our Lord's patience means salvation,  just  as  our
     dear  brother  Paul  also wrote you with the wisdom that God gave him.
     He writes the same way in all his letters, speaking in them  of  these
     matters.  His letters contain some things that are HARD TO UNDERSTAND,
     which ignorant and unstable people  distort,  as  they  do  the  other
     Scriptures,  to their own destruction.  Therefore, dear friends, since
     you already know this, be on your guard so that you may not be carried
     away  by  the ERROR of LAWLESS men and fall from your secure position.
     But grow in the grace and knowledge of  our  Lord  and  Saviour  Jesus
     Christ.   To him be glory both now and forever! Amen."  (2 Peter 3:15-
     18)

     "There is only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and
     destroy.  . . . ."  (James 4:12)

     "I know that his commandments lead to everlasting  life.   Whatever  I
     say is what the Father has told me to say."  (John 12:50)


First we see Peter warning about what lawless men can do with Paul's  writ-
ings.   Second  we  see  that  only  God, and not Paul, is the lawgiver and
judge.  When it comes to salvation, only God is the law giver and there are
plenty  of  texts  that  say  that  God does not change and so why would He
change or take away the law that He wrote with His own hand at Mt.  Sinaii?
In  the  OT  we  find  it clearly stated over and over again - blessings to
those who keep God's commandments and the consequences  of  not  doing  so.
With all these clear statements about the law and that God does not change,
how possibly can God have come to longer care about His law?  I find such a
notion to be incomprehensible.

Without using Paul writings (or Luke's who was also not a  direct  disciple
of  Jesus)  can  anyone  put  together a solid scriptural proof for the law
being done away with?  My finding is that if you carefully read all of what
Paul has to say that you will find the right balance of scripture that does
not do away with the law of God.

I think we can agree that God is the only law giver relative to  salvation.
With that in mind I read first what Jesus has to say about the law and read
carefully about the example that He set.  Clearly  Jesus  swept  aside  the
Mishna  of  His  day  and  clearly He did keep the law of God and upheld it
before us.

     "If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love, even as I have
     kept my Father's commandments, and abide in His love."  (John 15:10)

Next I think it is important to read what the close disciples of Jesus  had
to  say  about  the  law.   The  ink  dried on what they wrote after Jesus'
resurrection, after Jesus returned to heaven.  I place  them  next  because
they had the closest experience with Jesus.

Next I turn to Paul's writings and find what at first appears  to  be  some
inconsistencies.   If  I  compare  what Paul writes with what I find in the
Bible as a whole I find that I can readily understand what Paul  is  saying
and that he is not abolishing God's law.  If you are puzzled I be delighted
to help.  I find both that Paul makes sense and that Paul does not do  away
with the Decalogue.

If you start simply with selected texts on what Paul says about the law and
put  off  consulting  the rest of the Bible then I can see how you can con-
clude that the law is set aside.  Consider the first texts  that  I  sited.
Are  you 100% sure that your salvation is secure by accepting a notion that
the law was done away with?  Consider the following  NT  texts  before  you
rest on such a conclusion:

     Not every one who says Lord  Lord  will  enter  into  the  kingdom  of
     heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father.  (Matt. 7:21-23)

     "They worship me in vain; their teachings are but the commandments  of
     men.  You have let go of the commandments of God and are holding on to
     the traditions of men.  And he said to them:  'You have a fine way  of
     setting  aside  the  commandments  of God in order to observe your own
     traditions!"  (Mark 7:7-9)

     "Thus you nullify the word of God by  your  tradition  that  you  have
     handed down.  And you do many things like that.".  (Mark 7:13)

     "It is easier for heaven and earth to disappear, than  for  the  least
     stroke of a pen to drop out of the Law."  (Luke 16:17)

     "If you love me keep my commandments."  (John 14:15)

     We ought to obey God rather than men.  (Acts 5:29)

     I delight in the law.  (Rom. 7:22)

     "But the man who looks intently into the perfect law that gives  free-
     dom,  and  continues to do this, not forgetting what he has heard, but
     doing it -- he will be blessed in what he does."  (James 1:25)

     "For whoever keeps the whole law and yet stumbles at just one point is
     guilty of breaking all of it."  (James 2:10)

     Hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his  commandments.   (1
     John 2:3,4)

     Sin is the transgression of the law.  (1 John 3:4)

     "This is love for God: to obey his commandments and  his  commandments
     are not burdensome."  (1 John 5:3)

     This is love, that we walk after his commandments.  (2 John 1:6)

     I write no new commandment unto you.  It is simply the Old Commandment
     that  you had from the beginning.  The New Commandment is a new under-
     standing of the Old Commandment.  (1 John 2:7,8)

     The dragon  was wroth with the woman, and went to make  war  with  the
     remnant  of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the
     testimony of Jesus Christ.  (Rev. 12:17)

     "Here is the patience of the saints:  Here are they that keep the com-
     mandments of God."  (Rev. 14:12)

     Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to
     the tree of life.  (Rev. 22:14)

Before you conclude that you are exempt because you are not a  Jew  ask  if
yourself  -  are you a 'Spiritual Jew'?  As a Spiritual Jew you inherit the
promised blessings that God offers to  those  who  keep  His  commandments.
What is a spiritual Jew?

     "This is the covenant I will make with the house of Israel after  that
     time,  declares the Lord.  I will put my laws in their minds and write
     them on their hearts.  I will be their God, and they will be  my  peo-
     ple."  (Heb. 8:10) (Heb. 10:16)

Lest you propose that this is a new law unique to the NT  read  what  comes
right after the Decalogue in Deuteronomy chapter 5.

     "And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thine heart,  and  with
     all  thy  soul, and with all thy might.  And these words, which I com-
     mand thee this day, shall be in thine heart;   you  shall  teach  them
     diligently  to  your  children, and shall talk of them when you sit in
     your house, when you walk by the way, when you lie down, and when  you
     rise up."  (Deut 6:5-7)

Clearly Paul is quoting from the Old Testament in Hebrews 8.


Dave (David E. Buxton)

davidbu@tekigm2.MEN.TEK.COM

MATH1H3@uhvax1.uh.edu (David H. Wagner) (12/07/89)

In article <Nov.23.22.20.55.1989.26693@athos.rutgers.edu>, davidbu@tekigm2.men.tek.com (David Buxton) writes:
> It is my observation that the writings of Paul  are  largely  where  people
> find  their  texts  by  which to do away with the law.  

I think the Lutheran belief on "justication by grace, through faith, apart from
works" must surely be the mathematical extreme point among Christians on this
issue -- which is not to say that Lutherans are wrong, but that others believe
or practice some interpolation between the Lutheran faith and
works-righteousness, i.e. (other church) = (epsilon)*(works) +
(1-epsilon)*grace.  I don't mean this to be offensive, but I am just trying to
define "extreme point".  My main point is that even Lutherans, and I would dare
say no Christian, would assert that Paul, or any Christian, did or does away
with the Law.  In the New Testament, however, the Law has a different purpose.
Lutherans worked this out pretty well in the Formula of Concord. They had to,
because the Lutheran belief is vulnerable to misinterpretation of a kind that
would minimize or "do away" with the Law.  I don't have the Formula in front of
me, but I think I can summarize it on this point.  The purpose of the Law is
different for the unbeliever than for the believer.

For the unbeliever, the Law:

1.	Shows him his sin, and the need for forgiveness.
2.	Acts as a curb against unrighteousness (i.e., to preserve peace in
society).

For the believer, the Law serves the above purposes also, but in addition, the
Law serves as a guide for our sanctification.  The Law has this effect only on
the believer, because only the believer has the new man created in him so that
he can respond to the Law with obedience.  The works that result from this do
not however, serve the purpose of earning or contributing to salvation.  They
are simply the evidence of salvation.

Many of the scriptures cited in the first posting on this subject address the
problem that false teachers were teaching faith without works.  I think the
passage from Peter falls in this category, although mainly it addressed
scoffers who denied that judgement day would come (As do many modern
'theologians').

I might suggest that the fact that the scriptures testify that the teaching of
faith without works was a problem in the early church, is a witness that the
Lutheran viewpoint is the one that was preached by Paul, but misunderstood or
misconstrued by some.
'nuff said for now.

David H. Wagner
My opinions and beliefs are completely separated from my employer's 
lack thereof.

[There are certainly groups other than Lutheran that believe in
justification by faith alone.  Indeed I think this is a fairly common
Protestant belief.

 (other church) = (epsilon)*(works) + (1-epsilon)*grace  

The problem is what to put on the left of the equation.  I think
generally Protestants (and probably also Catholics) don't consider
works and grace as different points along the same axis.  Rather they
see them as playing rather different roles.  What those roles are and
how they fit together may differ.  But I think this is more an issue
of topology than different constants in a linear combination.

Note also that Law and works are not synonymous.  Although Protestants
believe you are not saved by good works, they certainly expect
Christians to do good works.  Thus I think everyone agrees that they
have relevance to Christians in at least some context.  There are some
Protestants that do not believe the Law has any relevance for
Christians.  I think this means that you are not a mathematical
extreme point after all...  --clh]