[soc.religion.christian] accounts of creation

hedrick@geneva.rutgers.edu (01/02/90)

This is a response to Scott Gulland's posting.  I'm not going to
respond in detail to his analysis of the first creation story, since
the expertise for evaluating his science is really in talk.origins,
not here.  But the original challenge was an exegetical one, not a
scientific one, and I want to look at Scott's response to that.

The challenge that he is responding to compared Gen 1 with Gen 2.  In
Gen 1 plants are created in the 3rd day, sea creatures and birds on
the fifth day, and land animals on the sixth day, followed by humans.
In Gen 2, Adam comes first, then plants, then the animals, and then
Eve.  specifically
> Note that the first version specifically states that *every* winged fowl was
> created before man, whereas the second version states that *every* fowl of
> the air was created after man.

The response to this is basically:
 - a lot of discussion about reducing atmospheres, none of which
	changes anything relevant to the discussion, since everyone
	agrees that Gen. 1 places the creation of winged fowls before
	men.  (This does not imply that I accept everything Scott 
	says about Gen 1 though.  I find the suggestion that 1:14-19
	describes a parting of the earth's cloud cover rather bizarre.)
  - an attempt to show that Gen. 2 does not say birds were created after
	man.

The attempt to show that birds were not created after man hangs on
comments about the Hebrew grammar of Gen 2:19.  But it's not the verb
endings that create the impression of sequence here; it's the overall
logic of the passage.  God says "I will make a fitting helper for
him".  He creates the birds and animals.  They are found not to be
fitting helpers.  So God creates the woman.  It seems clear in the
passage that God creates the birds and animals as a result of his
resolution to find a fitting helper for Adam, i.e. after Adam.

The NIV attempts to be consistent with Scott's interpretation.  In
order to make Gen 2 consistent with Gen 1, we have to regard 2:8ff and
2:19-20 as parentheses, filling us in on past actions.  (2:8ff
involves the creation of plants, which in a staightforward reading
also happen after Adam.)  The NIV translates 2:8 "had planted" and
2:19 "had formed", presumably with this interpretation.  However even
with that translation, I still get the impression of sequence from the
NIV.  The force of the story is enough that changing one word here or
there doesn't help.

For better or worse, we do not have any way to establish an objective
measure of how plausible an interpretation of a piece of text is.
Clearly somebody who wants to interpret Gen 2 the way Scott does will
succeed in doing so.  But people without such preconceptions are
unlikely to take his reading.  Of course Scott will suspect the same
about me.  However I have no particular reason to want to see
disagreements in the text.  While I accept that minor errors occur in
the Bible here and there, I see it as basically accurate.