[soc.religion.christian] Reply to Sola Scripture vs. Tradition

gdr2f@boole2.acc.Virginia.EDU (George D. Randels) (05/29/90)

[Jedidiah Jon Palosaari commented on a posting by Brian Finnerty,
that had criticized Protestants (and "sola scriptura") because
it led to many different believes on important issues.  Jedidiah
responded that the Catholic church had allowed many varying
beliefs up to the Reformation, and seemed to restrict things
more primarily in response to Luther.  He suggested that Luther
advocated things that had been considered orthodox previously.
>Even afterward/during Martin Luther, you had such differing beliefs as
>the Fransiscans, Loyola,and the belief in Illuminism.
--clh]

As for the differing protestant interpretations of the Bible, Luther was
unprepared for that.  He thought that once you got rid of some the Catholic
tradition, that everyone would interpret the Bible the same way as he did.
He was caught off-guard by Thomas Muntzer and the rest of the radical
reformation.

As for the Catholic church allowing a limited plurality of beliefs, that is
true to some extent.  But, of course, it was quite limited.  Ever hear of the
Inquisition? (I'm sure you have.)  But if a "different" movement appeared
"threatening" to the orthodoxy the movement was in for some sanctions.
After all, the Franciscans had trouble with the papacy in the middle ages.
And even Thomas Aquinas' teaching were under threat of condemnation for his
use of Aristotle.  (This is quite oversimplified of course, but I don't have
any of my church history books here at work.  Maybe there are some of the rest
of you who have such knowledge at your fingertips.)

Finally, you comment about a lack of unity in "both sects" -- but actually,
you're not really talking about sects.  The Mennonites might be a sect, but
not Catholics or protestants in general.  Also, there is at least one large
denomenation beyond these two -- the Eastern Orthodox.  And they are divided
into such groups as Russian Orthodox, Greek Orthodox, Ukranian Orthodox, etc.

I hope that this is helpful.

George Randels
University of Virginia
gdr2f@virginia.edu

[Luther's original attack on indulgences was barely acceptable, although
it was clearly at the very borders of acceptability.  However he very
quickly came to deny Catholic doctrine in a variety of areas that would
have been hard to ignore.  These include:
  - denial of the authority of the pope and the hierarchy, both
	in the area of establishing doctrine and declaring and 
	remitting punishment in purgatory
  - denial that penance is a sacrament
  - denial of the merits of the saints
  - denial of the primacy of Rome
Many people have the feeling that if the Pope had known what was going
to happen, he might have been able to keep the breach from occuring.
I'm not so sure.  There was a consistent history of groups that
put Scripture over the authority of the hierarchy, and the Church had
not been willing to tolerate any of them.  The most recent had been
Wycliffe.  Previously were the Waldensians.  There is no question in
my mind that the range of views within the Roman church was narrowed
after the Reformation.  But I do not see any way it could have accepted
Luther's views without undergoing a major change of heart.  --clh]