MARK@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu (Mark Woodruff) (07/30/90)
If anyone knows some appropriate passages on either of the above two, please send them this way. mark
cms@dragon.uucp (08/06/90)
In article <Jul.29.15.21.24.1990.13300@athos.rutgers.edu>, MARK@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu (Mark Woodruff) writes: > If anyone knows some appropriate passages on either of the above two, > please send them this way. > > mark Tithing: Gen 14:20, Heb 7:2-6, Gen 28:22, Lev 27:30-33, Num 18:-21-24, Deut 12:6, 7, 17, 19; 14:22-29; 26:12-15, Neh 10:37, 38; Amos 4:4, Heb 7:5-9, Num 18:26, Neh 10:38, 39, 12:44, 13:5, 12; 2 Chron 31:11, 12, Mal 3:8, 10; Matt 23:23, Luke 11:42, 18:12; Tobit 1:6, 5:13, Judith 11:13, Ben Sira 35:9, 1 Macc 3:49, 10:31, 11:35. Masturbation: You've got me. The whole Bible's full of sex, but I couldn't find masturbation in any of the condemnations. You'd think it'd be somewhere, what with the Roman Catholic Church's attitude towards it. Perhaps the Church views it as a special case of homosexuality :-). An odd combination. Have you considered purchasing a good concordance? I recommend Eerdman's. -- Cindy Smith emory!dragon!cms [Well, at the very least masturbation would cause ritual uncleanness according to the Law. According to Lev 15:16ff (and Deut 23:10 ff) unintentional emissions cause uncleanness. So intentional ones surely would. Since I'm at work, I don't have access to all my reference materials. This means I can't document things as well as I should. But my understanding is that at least for Paul, fornication would include all sexual activity outside marriage. Masturbation is sort of on the borderline of that definition, so I wouldn't want to push it, but it's hard for me to think that Paul would regard it as a good practice. I think these days I'd recommend a computerized Bible rather than a concordance, for those who have computers. --clh]
cms@dragon.uucp (08/06/90)
In article <Jul.29.15.21.24.1990.13300@athos.rutgers.edu>, MARK@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu (Mark Woodruff) writes: > If anyone knows some appropriate passages on either of the above two, > please send them this way. > > mark Oh, yes, I almost forgot politicking. Psalm 12:8 (corruption), Es 3 (in the courts of Ahasuerus), Da 6:4-15, 2 Sam 15:2-6, Matt 27:23-27 (placating crowd), Mark 15:15, Luke 23:13-25, John 18:38,39; 19:4-13; 2 Sam 15:24-29 (priest acting as partisan for David), 1 Kings 1:11-40 (Nathan influencing selection of David's successor); 2 Sam 20:16-22 (wise woman of Abel who saved city through diplomacy); 1 King 1:15-21 (Bathsheba securing crown for Solomon); Matthew 14:3-11, Mark 6:17-28 (Herodias influencing administration of Herod); Matthew 20:20-23 (Mother of sons of Zebedee seeking favor for her children); Proverbs 19:6 (entreating favor of prince, giving gifts for friendship); Proverbs 29:26, Dan 5:10-12, Acts 12:20. I might also recommend Nave's topical Bible. Unfortunately, it does not contain the deuterocanonicals, but is useful, nonetheless. -- Sincerely, Cindy Smith emory!dragon!cms
BVAUGHAN@pucc.princeton.edu (Barbara Vaughan) (08/08/90)
[MARK@ucf1vm.cc.ucf.edu asked, among other things, about the Biblical position on masturbation. cms@dragon.uucp said she didn't think there was any condemnation. I commented that based on Lev 15:16ff and Deut 23:10 ff it would at least cause ritual uncleanness. --clh] Wasn't Onan struck dead by God for 'spilling his seed upon the ground' in order to avoid raising up an heir for his brother by marrying his brother's widow? This of course doesn't make clear whether the trans- gression was sexual or whether he was being punished for greed, but either masturbation or _coitus interruptus_ (withdrawal) would seem to be 'spilling seed upon the ground'. Barbara Vaughan
blais@emx.utexas.edu (Donald Blais) (08/08/90)
In article <Aug.5.20.30.37.1990.17980@athos.rutgers.edu> cms@dragon.uucp writes: > Masturbation: You've got me. The whole Bible's full of sex, but I couldn't >find masturbation in any of the condemnations. You'd think it'd be somewhere, Genesis 38:9 describes how Onan shirked his legal responsiblity to provide an heir for his dead brother. Instead of impregnating his brother's wife, he spilled his seed upon the ground. At some point tradition extended Onan's crime to masturbation. The English word "onanism" is sometimes used as a synonym for "masturbation". The Hebrew word for the same is based on the name Onan as well. -- Donald E. Blais Internet: blais@emx.utexas.edu Computation Center BITNET: blais@utaivc University of Texas UUCP: uunet!cs.utexas.edu!ut-emx!blais Austin, TX 78712 Phone: +1-512-471-3241
tp0x+@andrew.cmu.edu (Thomas Carl Price) (08/12/90)
re: Onan The law at that time (also in the Mosaic law) was that a man was required to conceive an heir for his dead brother with his dead brother's widow. Any man performing this obligation was also obligated to go to the trouble and expense of raising and maintaining the heir and the widow, who would at the heir's majority recieve all that was once the dead man's: in this way the household and family division of the dead man would be continued. Onan's sin was unquestionably not sexual in nature. He had acquired the property of his brother temporarily and wished to keep it for himself. The crowning insult of his wickedness was that he wished to use his widowed sister- in-law for his own gratification: his practice of coitus interruptus was a birth-control mechanism intended to prevent the conception of an heir for whom he would be responsible. I'm not coming down pro or con on masturbation or what have you, but the association of Onan with sexual sin is a Victorian fallacy. Tom
hwt@.bnr.ca (Henry Troup) (08/12/90)
In article <Aug.8.03.55.08.1990.13123@athos.rutgers.edu> ut-emx!blais@emx.utexas.edu (Donald Blais) writes: >Genesis 38:9 describes how Onan shirked his legal responsiblity to >provide an heir for his dead brother. Instead of impregnating his >brother's wife, he spilled his seed upon the ground. At some point I notice that the sin of Onan was failing to do something which would be considered morally reprehensible and legally incest today. It was in fact the very thing over which Henry VIII Tudor gained a divorce and split the Church. Interesting... -- Henry Troup - BNR owns but does not share my opinions | 21 years in Canada... uunet!bnrgate!hwt%bwdlh490 HWT@BNR.CA 613-765-2337 |