[soc.religion.christian] What about the ugly people?

jmoon@lehi3b15.csee.lehigh.edu (Jonggu Moon [890911]) (09/02/90)

"Women would rather be pretty than intelligent because
  men can see better than they can think." - anon

What about those of us who would really like to have an SO and
have tried and tried, but cannot because we don't fit the current
standards of beauy and attractiveness ?

There are some that say that its a moot point because beauty is not
definied by the skin in the Kingdom of Heaven. But that is skirting
the issue because the fact is that there are Christians who are lonely
because they are not pretty.

And the only reason that I can think of as to why God lets this go on
is because this is a fallen world. The corrupt will get rich, the
righteous will be troddened and people will be born maimed, cripple,
stupid and ugly. Not because there is some necessary master plan to 
all of this, but because this world is unfair.

I live my days, sometimes worrying that I will spent the later 50%
of my life old and alone. Well so be it. If what'shisname can live
confined to an iron lung because his face and chest was horribly
disfigured in an accident, and still praise God, and if
what'shername can live on welfare with six kids and a husband who
rarely comes home and beats her when he does, and still praise God,
well heck,then I can live as cheeply as one, spend my evenings in Church
activities, eat my breakfast alone and still praise God.

Why ? I don't know. 

If I knew, I would have accomplished something by now.

^>*<^ jon

David.Anderson@cs.cmu.edu (09/04/90)

Lynn, here.

While I agree that many people *at first* (and likely unconsciously)
tend to ascribe various intangible qualities of personality to people
based on physical appearance, getting to know someone provides the basis
for being able to look beyond whatever physical imperfections, real or
imagined, that person may have. And we all have some.

If one is doing as much as one can to optimize their appearance (I am
not talking Bakker makeup, here, but cleanliness, perhaps a reasonably
nice haircut if one can afford it or find someone to do it, wearing
clean clothing that is not outlandish), doing their best to cultivate a
nice personality, and trying to live to please the Lord (which, IMHO,
includes *serving* others less fortunate, not just having fun at social
activities), one will have *friends.*

Maybe some of those friends will turn into romantic possibilities, but
(as we all know) such things aren't so simple. What I'm suggesting is
that if one is really doing everything they can to be an attractive
person--which goes *way* beyond their physiognomy--they will be
attractive.

And then there's the possibility to consider that these "ugly" people
may well harbor prejudice against others whom they themselves consider
ugly, thereby further cutting themselves off from others. (It was always
amazing to me how many physically unattractive men of my acquaintance
wouldn't date or try to date anyone that didn't live up to an
unrealistically high standard of beauty. Two-faced, indeed!) Love can
make *anyone* beautiful to the lover.

moy@acf4.nyu.edu (Gloria Moy) (09/14/90)

This is to Higgy....

Perhaps this is an inappropriate place for this, but I have been trying to send
you mail, but have been unable to.
Anyway, I worked with you at Word of Life CAmp in 1979 at the INN. I worked in
housekeeping and I think you worked in the dish pit. 

Anyway, e mail me if you see this message.
my e mail is moy@acf4.nyu.edu.

love to hear from you.

-gloriA

gross@dg-rtp.dg.com (Gene Gross) (09/17/90)

[Jonggu Moon [890911]) asked about those who would like to have an SO
but can't because they don't fit current standards of beauty.
Sherry Ellington comments on the importance people place on beauty,
citing personal ads.  She is particularly upset at ads for Christian
male or female companions specifying tiny and petite or handsome
and strong.  Christ looks upon the heart.
--clh]

Paul writes telling us to take on this mind, which is the mind of
Christ.  That is. we should draw close to the Lord daily and let His
will become ours.

In doing this, we begin to see things as our Father sees them.  This
means that we begin to see sin from His viewpoint.  We begin to see
others as He sees them, and loves them.  And the more we see, the more
we draw closer to Him who loved us and gave himself for us.

Now there is a passage in Isaiah that speaks of Jesus (Isa. 53:1-12).
In verse 2, the Lord God says, "...he hath no form nor comeliness; and
when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him."
This doesn't sound like Jesus was to be physically handsome, rather it
sounds like He was to be like most of us--rather plain, if not a bit
ugly.  I know this is not the mental image that many have, nor is the
way Jesus has been portrayed in films or artwork.  Nonetheless, this is
what the Word of the living God says.

The beauty of Jesus, our Lord and Savior, was internal.  And this is
where our beauty is, as well.

So then, why do Christians look to the outside for beauty?  Could it be
that the world still has influence?

I'm not saying that there is something wrong with physical beauty, but
if that is all that interests a person what a shallow life.  Among the
Amish, Mennonites, and Brethren there is a saying when complementing a
person on their looks--you look plain.  It is a nice thing to have said
about you.

One last thing.  When we come to the Lord, do you suppose that He is
impressed with our finery, our jewelry, our wonderful make-up, our great
tan; or do you suppose that He looks into our hearts to see what we are
really like?  If He looks to the inside, where should we spend the most
time working?

For His glory,

Gene Gross