creed@mthvax.cs.miami.edu (Creed Jones) (11/21/90)
daved@westford.ccur.com (508-392-2990) wrote: -> Subject: Documentary Hypothesis: the State of the -> Question? -> -> I'm arguing the plausibility of the Documentary -> Hypothesis (apropos of Genesis-- the Yavist, the -> Elohist, etc.) with a Biblical conservative (but not -> a -> fundamentalist (?) or a literalist). What is the best -> evidence for the hypothesis? 'Scholarly consensus' -> doesn't seem to get us anywhere. If anyone has some -> recent (1970 - ) citations, these would be indeed -> useful. Response to above from Creed Jones (creed@mamia.UUCP): An article in my 1962 Peake's Commentary noted a "feeling that the Documentary mode of approach had outlived its useful- ness." An introduction to the Pentateuch in the 1976 Oxford Study Edition of the New English Bible, however, accepts it as orthodoxy: "The earliest summary of the traditions may have been little more than a sentence (as in I Sam. 12:8) or paragraph (Josh. 24.2-10), formulated soon after the settlement in Ca- naan (thirteenth century B.C.) for recital in the cult. "It was perhaps during the reign of Solomon (tenth century B.C.) that many of the local cultic recitations, histories, songs, and law codes were first gathered and edited into a sustained account (the earliest skeleton un- derlying Gen.-1 Kings ch. 2). Its purpose was to suggest that the Israelite Kingdom was the fulfillment of the ancient promises to the patriarchs. Modern scholars call this work "J," because it uses for the deity the name Jehovah (Heb. Yahweh), and was produced by Judean theologians; they believe that it was soon supplemented by other ancient tradi- tions preserved in Ephraim, and called "E" because the divine term Elohim is used. "When Judah was threatened religiously from within and militarily from without (eight- seventh centuries), the old traditions were expanded and interpreted in contemporary terms ("D"). D is contained primarily in the book of Deuteronomy. "The destruction of Jerusalem (587 B.C.) and the necessity to live under Babylonian and Persian domination (sixth-fifth centuries) produced a final stage of collection and reflection upon the ancient traditions, gen- erally called the Priestly Code ("P"). The P code itself seems composite and a result of growth, containing a somewhat older Priestly section (Lev. chs. 17-26) known as the "Holi- ness Code." While J-E went beyond Genesis- Deuteronomy, and extended through Joshua-1 Kings ch. 2, the Priests effected a division between Genesis-Deuteronomy and the ensuing material. As a result of this separation, the Pentateuch emerged as an entity." I don't know what the current thinking is on the documentary hypothesis, and I would be interested to hear (1) what's new and (2) what your views are. I suppose that the theory could be seen as at odds with the idea of divine authorship and inerrancy of the scripture, but, for reasons we've discussed before, I don't consider that dispos- itive. I think even the internal evidence of Mosaic authorship of the Pentateuch is weak. And I don't see the documentary hypothesis to be in any way a challenge to our faith. Even my Zondervan NIV Study Bible relies on history and tradition to argue for Mosaic authorship. Its introduction to Genesis can only say "the Bible itself *suggests* [emphasis mine] Mosaic authorship of Genesis, citing Acts 15:1. Yet it dismisses the documentary thesis because, "the view is not supported by conclusive evidence, and intensive archeological and literary research has undercut many of the arguments used to challenge Mosaic authorship." That to me is not being objective. And I guess I understand not being objective about things we know by faith, but shouldn't we be open to distinguishing those things we are told by the Holy Spirit from those things we are told by orthodox tradition? I find the documentary hypothesis to be an exciting story about how a people came to learn about and relate to the LORD. I don't know whether it is a true story, but frankly, I find it more exciting than the thought of Moses acting as a scribe. If God wrote the Pentateuch through Moses, then what's the big deal about Moses coming down from the Mountain with the ten command- ments on a stone? And where is the story of Moses telling the people about the books God had written though him? But despite a century or so of so-called "higher criticism," most believers (and maybe even a lot of non-believers!) find these discussions troubling. It is comforting to have all of the answers in black and white. Even the mainline churches, whose leaders certainly embrace the aims of "higher criticism," avoid discussing it -- much like the Roman Catholic Church once avoided letting its members read the Bible. The result is a superficiality that quickly wears thin. So what do you think? [Comment from Max Southall, max@mamia.UUCP: Just one thought, and how it undercuts the idea that the expansion into scripture was designed to buttress an imperial human kingship with divine backing: My reading, without benefit of either conservative or "higher" criticism, finds that the Bible says that Israel's establishment of human kings was rebellion and a sin against God, and is the subject of contention between them, Samuel and God. Certainly, the entire weight of the Old Testament is damning against the human rulership of Israel and Judah. When an argument seems to start out with such a faulty premise, on the facts, one does become dubious of how much credence can be put in a thesis built on it. One even wonders if they are reading the same book, or if somehow their cognitive powers are severely clouded by ulterior motives. I'll have to look at your posting in more detail, but this is what struck me at first perusal...] [As far as I know, there is no change in the basic situation, which is that scholars in public institutions and "liberal" church-sponsored institutions accept something like the documentary hypothesis, and those in "conservative" church-sponsored institutions reject it. When you see statements talking about some hypothesis having outlived its usefulness, you have to make sure whether this is someone inside the "liberal" camp simply calling for a more nuanced model, or someone in the "conservative" camp claiming that finally higher criticism has collapsed. The first is common enough. The second is wishful thinking. The whole situation is very frustrating, since we have two camps that differ so radically even on basic methods that there seems little hope for much useful dialog. Each one keeps thinking that people can't possible continue to hold the obviously absurd views of the other, and that in another generation the other view will collapse. So far I see no evidence of either being right. There has certainly been development in both camps over time. But no fundamental changes. I don't have time at the moment for a treatise on the exact changes. But the introductory material in any good critical commentary (e.g. the Anchor Bible series -- Gen. and Luke would probably be good ones to look at) should give you a pretty good feel for what has been happening. --clh]