cms@gatech.edu (12/12/90)
In article <Dec.4.01.03.27.1990.827@athos.rutgers.edu>, dcyprich@questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Dusan J. Cyprich) writes: > Hi Joel. Read Isaiah 14:12-15. It talks about how Satan wanted to be > like God (in His place) and how Lucifer is cast out of Heaven. It should > give you a start ... > > God bless > djc > > [huh? Is 14:12-15 is part of a "taunt against the king of Babylon" > (14:4). The reference to him as the Day Star, Son of the Dawn looks > to me like an ironical comment on his pride, since the rest of the > passage is more appropriate to a king than Satan. --clh] My Pocket Catholic Dictionary (I can't seem to locate the Modern Catholic Dictionary anywhere) says: "LUCIFER. The name is sometimes applied to a king of Babylon (Isaiah 14:12), but the Fathers of the Church commonly identify Lucifer with Satan, leader of the fallen angels. In the Church's writings it is a synonym for the devil, the Prince of Darkness, who before he fell was an angel of light. In the Scriptures, Christ is also called Phosphoros -- Light-Bearer (II Peter 1:19). (Etym. Latin lucifer, light-bearer.)" -- Sincerely, Cindy Smith _///_ // SPAWN OF A JEWISH _///_ // _///_ // <`)= _<< CARPENTER _///_ //<`)= _<< <`)= _<< _///_ // \\\ \\ \\ _\\\_ <`)= _<< \\\ \\ \\\ \\ <`)= _<< >IXOYE=('> \\\ \\ \\\ \\_///_ // // /// _///_ // _///_ // emory!dragon!cms <`)= _<< _///_ // <`)= _<< <`)= _<< \\\ \\<`)= _<< \\\ \\ \\\ \\ GO AGAINST THE FLOW! \\\ \\ A Real Live Catholic in Georgia
kutz@cis.ohio-state.edu (Kenneth J. Kutz) (12/14/90)
In article <Dec.11.22.30.37.1990.28296@athos.rutgers.edu>, dragon!cms@gatech.edu writes: > In article <Dec.4.01.03.27.1990.827@athos.rutgers.edu>, dcyprich@questor.wimsey.bc.ca (Dusan J. Cyprich) writes: > > Hi Joel. Read Isaiah 14:12-15. It talks about how Satan wanted to be > > like God (in His place) and how Lucifer is cast out of Heaven. It should > > give you a start ... > > > > God bless > > djc > > > > [huh? Is 14:12-15 is part of a "taunt against the king of Babylon" > > (14:4). The reference to him as the Day Star, Son of the Dawn looks > > to me like an ironical comment on his pride, since the rest of the > > passage is more appropriate to a king than Satan. --clh] If you apply this hermeunitical principal to Is 14, why don't you apply it to Ps 22 or Is 53? The answer to that (if I may speak for you :-) lies in the fact that the NT verifies (as well as some Jewish tradition) that Ps 22 and Is 53 have dual applicability. I believe Jesus' statement that he saw Satan fall from heaven provides the NT verifcation we need to Is 14. Isa 14:12-14 uses words which go beyond a complete human fulfillment. The very same thing is true for Is 53:5,6,10,11,12. I believe the context, imagery, Jesus' words, and interpretational consistency make a strong case that Isa 14 is referring to Satan. -- Kenneth J. Kutz Internet kutz@andy.bgsu.edu Systems Programmer BITNET KUTZ@ANDY University Computer Services UUCP ...!osu-cis!bgsuvax!kutz Bowling Green State Univ. US Mail 238 Math Science, BG OH 43403