[soc.religion.christian] Grace, Faith, Works: Perennial Question

cms@gatech.edu (01/25/91)

 I'm not sure why I'm posting this during the Persian Gulf War, but, I 
have a few minutes before heading off to class, so here goes.  Anne 
Hutchinson, a Puritan in the 16th century, taught in her home in 
private group meetings what we basically call the heresy of 
antinomianism.  In this belief, she taught a covenant of grace, as 
opposed to a covenant of works, challenging the ministers (and the 
authority thereof) in her community that they were preaching heresy, 
and she was preaching the truth.  She said she was guided by an 
"inner light" of the Holy Spirit and that the Holy Spirit dwells in 
the justified and that no sanctification is evidence of justification. 
The Puritans who opposed her preached Sola Scriptura and felt that her 
understanding of the indwelling of the Holy Spirit within her 
challenged this belief.  The issue was one of authority (politics) as 
much as religion.  The way I see it, this indwelling of the Holy 
Spirit caused two problems:  1.  She made herself, effectively, the 
Pope of her community, and not only that, made every believer a 
similar Pope; in other words, one who receives direct revelation from 
God and preaches the Word accordingly without error, as long as you 
remain in the light.  This would result in chaos.  2.  If you believe 
that you have this "inner light" (and I by no means deny that people 
have it, my understanding is different), then you have the Holy Spirit 
dwelling within you; if anyone opposes you (as they opposed Anne 
Hutchinson), then they must not have an indwelling of the Holy Spirit. 
In Winthrop's (I think) journal of the trial, the committee prayed and 
felt assured that the Holy Spirit was guiding the committee.  This 
pitted the dispute into an us versus them mentality.  Either we have 
the Holy Spirit, and you don't, or you have the Holy Spirit, and we 
don't.  You see the problem.  Anyway, the issue of salvation is the 
point I wanted to bring out.  Anne Hutchinson seemed to be the 
Puritan's Puritan and helped the Puritans realize just to what extreme 
some of their beliefs could be taken.  She separated grace and works 
to the point where, if you're talking about grace, you're talking 
about grace, and works having absolutely nothing to do with it, and if 
you're talking about works, you're talking about works, and that's an 
entirely different animal.  It seems to me that some of the people 
with whom I've been conversing on this issue are taking the position 
of Anne Hutchinson on this particular issue of "faith and works" or 
"grace and works."  Hutchinson might have said that even our faith 
does not justify since faith requires an action on the part of the 
believer, and any action on the part of the believer cannot justify 
you, only God can justify you by his grace.  If your faith is a gift 
from God (which I think it is), then your faith justifies, but no 
action on your part does so.  This leads to all kinds of problems, 
such as, this list of people will be saved, this list won't, and it 
doesn't matter what you do or how you really feel, you were either on 
the list in the beginning or not.  But if you act like you're on the 
list, then everyone will know that you're on the good list, but even 
that seems to me to violate Jesus's prohibition against doing things 
or praying in synagogues or whatever just so people will see you and 
say, "Oh, look what a good Jew he is."  At any rate, Anne Hutchinson, 
who I think was a faithful heretic (as defined by Catholics, one 
searching for the truth but in error), was eventually exiled, later 
killed by Indians along with six of her seven children, and is 
regarded by the Society of Friends as the first true Quaker.

 I brought this out to discuss the issue of faith and works once 
again, and I hope I'm not beating it into the ground, but I really 
want to understand this issue, and I just don't yet.  Do those who 
have disagreed with my position that good works is an essential part 
of the salvific process but that our salvation ultimately depends upon 
God alone agree or disagree with the extreme position of Anne 
Hutchinson?  By my understanding of Hutchinson's position, I have the 
"inner light" that guides me like all believers; thus, if I am facing 
"north," to use a rather concrete example, I am walking in the 
direction of my inner light, but I move east or west, then I sin, and 
I am no longer walking within the light, although the light is still 
in me; I need to repent, find my compass (the Bible) to help me get 
back on the right track, face north, and begin walking within my 
inner light again.  I might be wrong about the Quaker understanding, 
but that's how I see it, and it's a beautiful concept; I simply feel 
that the Church produced the Bible as part of its Tradition and is a 
safeguard against heresy, to make sure that people's compasses help 
them follow their real inner light and not a different inner light of 
their own making.

 Well, I'm off the class.  Hope I've given some food for thought.
Our Fearless Moderator, who knows much more about Quakerism than me, 
(you used to attend Quaker Meetings, didn't you?) can help us 
understand this better, I'm sure.  I wouldn't keep bringing it up if 
I weren't still struggling with the issue myself.

Yours in Christ,

Cindy Smith
SPAWN OF A JEWISH CARPENTER
A Real Live Catholic in the Episcopal Diocese of Atlanta

[I did attend a Quaker meeting for a year or so in college.  While
that gave me some feeling for what Quakers are about, you've got to
remember that it's been over 20 years, and that at this point I'm a
Calvinist, which is about as far away from the Quaker position as
possible.  As far Anne Hutchinson, from the brief summary I just
looked at, I think I agree with some of her points and disagree with
others, and that the same would be true of Quakers (though not
necessarily the same points).  The Calvinists at this time were
desperately trapped in the whole issue of finding signs that would
show whether someone is elect, and it's hard to separate Hutchinson's
comments from this context.  I think the whole quagmire is the result
of a dangerous wrong turning in the Reformed tradition, and that once
in the quagmire no response is really good.  Calvin himself warned
that if one is not careful, it is easily possible "to enter a
labyrinth from which he can find no exit."  I fear this had happened
to much of the Reformed tradition at this point.

I feel rather queasy about the whole faith/works business.  I see
Paul's emphasis on faith as opposed to works as part of his whole
"Christ-mysticism", the concept that any righteousness we have is not
properly speaking ours, but Christ's, which we get only by
participation in him.  I think people are often getting the emphasis
on the wrong word.  When we are told that we are saved by putting our
faith in God, it's not the faith that is saving us but God.  We are
being told to rely on God, not to ourselves.  The moment we ask
whether *our* faith or *our* works save us, we have moved the focus
from God to us.  Either possible answer is wrong.

Of course we do need to respond, and there's nothing wrong with asking
what kinds of responses are appropriate.  But when we start looking at
that I think we're no longer in the same context where Paul contrasts
faith and works.  We now discover that faith has a quite broad
definition.  Faith in the Bible, OT and NT, is one of those words that
is full of overtones.  It means not just belief, but faithfulness,
obedience, and trust.  It really characterizes all aspects of
commitment to God.  As such, it implies doing things in response to
God, i.e. works.

So in summary, I think you'll find some places where faith is
contrasted to works, and some where it is not.  Where it is contrasted
to works, we are talking about where salvation comes from, and
emphasizing that we can only rely on (i.e. have faith in) God for our
salvation.  Where faith is joined to works is when we are looking at
our response.  Then it is seen that our response must be obedience to
God.  And obedience means that we must actually obey.  Failures in
obedience *are* failures in faith.

--clh]

bill@emx.utexas.edu (Bill Jefferys) (02/06/91)

Cindy Smith asked some questions about Quakers; mindful that 
Quakers are a very diverse group, and that no one can speak for 
all Quakers, I'll try to answer her as best I can. Cindy wrote 
(concerning Anne Hutchinson):

#1.  She [Anne Hutchinson] made herself, effectively, the 
#Pope of her community, and not only that, made every believer a 
#similar Pope; in other words, one who receives direct revelation from 
#God and preaches the Word accordingly without error, as long as you 
#remain in the light.  This would result in chaos.  2.  If you believe 
#that you have this "inner light" (and I by no means deny that people 
#have it, my understanding is different), then you have the Holy Spirit 
#dwelling within you; if anyone opposes you (as they opposed Anne 
#Hutchinson), then they must not have an indwelling of the Holy Spirit. 

Ann Hutchinson was not a Quaker (contrary to what Cindy says, 
neither of the two Quaker histories that I looked at considered 
her to be the "first Quaker," and one did not mention her at all). 
If these two points were part of Anne Hutchinson's doctrine, then 
there are significant differences between Quaker belief and hers. 

Quakers regard the Inward Light "that enlightens every human 
being" [Jn 1:9], or the Christ Within, or the indwelling of the 
Holy Spirit, as the primary source of religious experience, from 
which all else springs. They believe that EVERY human being, 
WITHOUT EXCEPTION, experiences the Inward Light. For a Quaker, to 
regard some individual as "not having an indwelling of the Holy 
Spirit" would be nonsense. Also, Quakers make NO CLAIM that the 
Inward Light guarantees that one speaks or acts without error. It 
is quite common for Quakers to find that their leadings conflict. 
When this happens, they believe that with the aid of the Holy 
Spirit they can find a deeper level that will resolve the 
conflict. The Quaker response to such conflicts is to labor 
tenderly with one another, with everyone attentive to the Inward 
Light in others, until that deeper level is found. 

It is for this reason that Quaker business is conducted by the 
method of consensus. When an issue arises on which there is 
disagreement, no action will be taken as long as even a single 
person is opposed. Quakers are unwilling to override the Inward 
Light as experienced by even one individual, just to get something 
done. Sometimes it takes a long time, even years, to reach a 
consensus on an important issue. Frequently it turns out that the 
leading of a lone individual, who originally was a minority of 
one, ends up being the nucleus around which the consensus is 
built.

Quakers are very aware of the dangers of going off on a tangent 
with a sincerely held, but false leading. The days when the Quaker 
movement was founded were yeasty, heady times where groups, like 
the Ranters, behaved in just this way. The early Quakers 
understood the dangers of such action, and their caution has 
persisted to the present time. The Quaker way to test all leadings 
against the Inward Light as others experience it, and against 
Scripture, to see whether they are genuinely of the Inward Light, 
or are merely individual notions or whims.

Quakers are leery of both the Inerrancy/Sola Scriptura position as 
well as of a view of the Bible that would regard it as mere 
literature. They view Scripture as secondary to, but confirming of 
their direct experience of the Inner Light. The Quaker theologian 
Robert Barclay (1648-90), described the Scriptures as "a 
declaration of the fountain but not the fountain itself". The 
importance of Scripture is not in its words, or in proof texts 
divorced from their setting, but in the living experience of the 
Light from which the Scriptures sprang. That is, Scripture gains 
its authority for Quakers because the people who wrote it 
themselves dwelt in that Light, and because Quakers today 
recognize the Light, as seen in Scripture, from their own experience.

Quakers regard neither faith nor works, but the experience of the 
Inward Light, as primary. If one truly lives within that Light, 
Quakers believe, then both faith and works will necessarily 
follow. The aspects of Quakerism that are most familiar to non-
Quakers, such as their commitments to peace, social justice, and
simplicity, and their refusal to take oaths, are for Quakers not 
rules to be followed, but instead grow out of their experience of 
the Inward Light.

Bill Jefferys

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