[soc.religion.christian] John MacArthur on "Once Saved Always Saved"

davidbu@loowit.wr.tek.com (David E. Buxton) (02/14/91)

John MacArthur, in his book "The Gospel Accroding to Jesus"  writes  what  I
think makes a lot of good sense:

Jesus spoke the words of Matthew 7:21-23 as a warning to  people  who  think
they  are saved but do not live in obedience to God.  Unlike preachers today
who avoid upsetting someone's assurance, our Lord was determined to  destroy
the hope of all who falsely thought they were redeemed.  He often challenged
such people.  He never encouraged someone who was  unsure  of  salvation  to
ignore  the  doubts.   His message stands in stark contrast to the gospel of
today, which seems designed specifically to prop up  false  assurance.   The
pattern  of  modern  evangelism  is to to take people through a formula, get
them to pray a prayer, sign a card, or whatever, then  tell  them  they  are
saved  and  should  never doubt it.  Such an approach to witnessing actually
fights against the Holy Spirit, whose ministry it is to bring both assurance
to  those  who are saved (Romans 8:16) and conviction to those are not (John
16:8-9).  God knows the diffrence; we do not.

Doubts about one's salvation are not wrong so long as they  are  not  nursed
and  allowed to become an obsession.  Scripture encourages self-examination.
Doubts must be confronted and dealt with  honestly  and  biblically.   In  2
Corinthians  13:5,  Paul  wrote,  "Test  yourselves to see if you are in the
faith; examine yourselves!  Or do you not recognize this  about  yourselves,
that  Jesus  Christ  is  in  you--unless  indeed  you  fail the test?"  That
admonition is largely ignored--and often explained away--in the contemporary
church.

ta00est@unccvax.uncc.edu (elizabeth s tallant) (02/19/91)

In his article, John MacArthur presents an argument that salvation is
not permanent.

In return, I wish to say that salvation is permanent, and what he
cited are examples of people who may have never been saved in the
first place.  Mechanically repeating a prayer and signing a card
do not give someone salvation, and people who have done these acts
without any form of sincerity would not gain salvation through them.

This is a popular position of people who believe in permament salva-
tion.   By and large, we believe that once a person recieves salvation,
he or she does not lose it.  Yet, just because someone says he or
she is saved does not mean that he or she is saved.  While only God
can judge individuals, we suspect that many who claim to be Christians
and then utterly and permanently reject all that they profess may
have never been Christians in the first place.

The Bible warns us that there will be false teachers and false
prophets.  These people are put into place to make Christians fall
and stumble.  One of these people who convincingly professed to be
a Christain (but deliberately lied) and then committed all sorts
of atrocities would be enough to start making others doubt their
salvation.  According to "permament salvation ministers", this
is exactly what the devil wants - to get people to start doubting
their salvation and their relationship to God, which will in turn
throw them into all sorts of confusion.

We urge people to be sure of their salvation from the beginning,
and do not doubt it after that.