[soc.religion.christian] TONGUES: Acts 2 and 1 Cor 14

davidbu@loowit.wr.tek.com (David E. Buxton) (02/14/91)

                1 Cor 14                      Acts 2
                ======================        ======================
Where:          Corinth                       Jerusalem
Speakers:       Church Members                Apostles
Audience:       Church Members                Unbelievers of many Nations
Form:           Thanksgiving                  Preaching
Function:       Devotional                    Evangelism
Real Languages? Foreigners Alienated          Foreigners could Understand
Interpretation: Interpreters Required         On interpreters Required
Comprehension:  Linguist Paul not understand  Foreigners did understand
Objective:      To demonstrate the Spirit     To convert unbelievers
Result:         Unbelievers Alienated         Unbelievers Converted
Edification:    Only Self Edification         Edification of new Converts
Importance:     Minimal                       Of major importance

It is clear that Acts 2 is a genuine  speaking  in  foreign  languages.   At
times,  in reading 1 Corinthians 14, I get the distinct feeling that Paul is
trying his best to not put the Corinthians down while trying to lecture them
with  the best tact at his disposal: Self edification rather than the church
(vs 4).  Of less value than the music of lifeless instruments (vs 7,8).   No
better  than  speaking  into  the air if not understood (vs 9).  Rather than
spending your time on a gift that even foreigners cannot understand  develop
those  gifts  that  build up the church (vs 10-12).  Five intelligible words
are worth more than 10,000 words of this tongues (vs 19).  Unbelievers  will
accuse  you  of  being  out  of your minds and of what value is that (vs 23)
Paul, I believe in exasperation, says - ok, if you must, then here are  some
basic  rules  of  orderliness (vs 26-38).  Tactfully he refuses to forbid it
(vs 39).

Paul ranks the gifts of the Spirit in 1 Cor 12:8-10:
  Wisdom
  Knowledge
  Faith
  Healing
  Miracles
  Prophecy
  Discerning Spirits
  Tongues
  Interpreting Tongues

Church Appointments 1 Cor 12:8-10:
  Apostles
  Prophets
  Teachers
  Miracles
  Healing
  Helpers
  Governments
  Tongues
  Interpreters

In this next text, tongues is not even mentioned:  "But  the  fruit  of  the
Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, kindness, goodness, faithfulness,
gentleness, self-control. . . . "  (Gal 5:22,23)

Paul urges that we strive  for  the  greater  gifts,  stating  clearly  that
tongues  is not one of them (1 Cor 14:31).  To me it is clear that there are
far more important gifts of the spirit  to  seek  after  without  taking  my
chances with something that Paul so tactfully down plays.  Too many cling to
the gift of tongues as an authenticator of their experience, to authenticate
that  they  are  saved.   I see no Biblical basis for such presumption.  One
work of the Holy Spirit is to turn the derelict despicable sinner  to  Jesus
Christ.  There is no salvation here until the sinner responds.  I question a
supposed manifestation of the Spirit in people who find that their salvation
is  authenticated  and  sufficient, where their search for truth trails off.
We can know that He works upon our hearts when our  hearts  are  continually
turned  towards  repentance,  the  "I  die daily" experience, and we have an
eagerness for truth that cannot be quenched.  These are indeed works of  the
Holy Spirit according to the Bible.

Could it be that Jesus was specifically warning that speaking in tongues  or
prophecying does not prove that you are saved?

     ""Not everyone who says to Me, 'Lord, Lord,' shall enter the kingdom of
     heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. "Many will say
     to Me in that day, 'Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied  in  Your  name,
     cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?' "And
     then I will declare to them, 'I never knew you; depart from Me, you who
     practice lawlessness!' "  --  Mat 7:21-23  (NKJ)

Paul ranks prophecying above the manifestation of tongues.  And here we  see
that even prophecying proves nothing for salvation if we are not obedient to
what He would have us to do - note that the keep of  God's  law  is  clearly
implicated here to be a part of doing the will of the Father.

x7mx@vax5.cit.cornell.edu (02/19/91)

<Something was written to the effect that tongues as we know today
should be deemphasized. The contrasting passages from Acts 2 and
1 Corinthians 14 (12?) were mentioned.>

I do not intend to boost the value of the gift of tongues. I myself
do not have them, thought I would like to try. The point I would like to
mention is the use of the contrasting passages. There is every possibility
that those bystanders were themselves given the gift of interpretation
of tongues. I find this explanation entirely plausible (remember "those men
are drunk!" spoken by others?). Also, praying in tongues serve a useful
role of allowing active prayer when the person runs out of imagination or
is too tired to think up new phrases. Tongues serves as an aid to prayer
which is what I think Paul means when he says self edification.

Chris