[soc.religion.christian] DEATH & HELL-4 - SOUL SLEEP

davidbu@loowit.wr.tek.com (David E. Buxton) (03/14/91)

One of my dumb jokes - "The problem with a good  night  sleep  is  that  you
don't  get to stay up and enjoy it."  That is what Jesus said death is like.
You don't even get to  wander  around  looking  down  on  your  loved  ones.
Death,  described  as  a  sleep, has no conscious soul experience.  The dead
know not anything, is what my Bible  tells  me.   When  you  die  your  next
conscious  thought  is at one of two resurrections - the resurrection of the
saved or the final resurrection of the wicked.  The same amount of conscious
time  will  pass  for  you  as  it  will  for Adam - that time passes in the
twinkling of an eye.

The Bible tells us that Death is like going to  sleep.  Death is equated  to
sleep at least 66 times in the Bible.  Here are just a few of these texts:

     For now shall I sleep in the dust. (Job 7:21)

     Lighten mine eyes, lest I sleep the sleep of death.  (Ps. 13:3)

     I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.  (Ps. 17:15)

     They have slept their sleep.  Sleep is perpetual.  (Psalm 76:5,6)

     Defeated Babylonians will sleep a perpetual sleep.  (Jer 51:39, 57)

     "Many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some  to
     everlasting  life,  and some to shame and everlasting contempt".  (Dan.
     12:2)

     The graves were opened;  and many bodies  of  the  saints  which  slept
     arose. (Matt. 27:52)

     The maid is not dead, but sleepeth.  (Matt. 9:24)

     Your daughter has died so don't trouble the Master.   Lots  of  weeping
     and  wailing.   Jesus  said  the damsel is not dead, but sleepeth.  And
     they laughed him to scorn.  And he entered in and said unto her .  .  .
     and  she stood up and walked.  At this they were completely astonished.
     (Mark 5:35-42)

Read especially what Jesus had to say about Lazarus:

     JESUS said - Our friend Lazarus sleepeth.   I go to wake  Him.   If  He
     sleeps  he will get better.  "So then He told them plainly, 'Lazarus is
     dead'" . . . (John 11:11-14)

Here Jesus very clearly and pointedly equates death to be like sleep.  There
is  nothing  at  all  ambiguous about this story and Jesus objective to make
clear what death is all about.

Lazarus was clearly dead as it had been four days.  (John 11:17)  And  there
is significance in the four days.  If Lazarus had seen heaven I am sure that
he would have told his friends about it.  Such a story is sure to have  been
told.  After four days he would have had some fantastic stories to tell.  It
seems inconceivable that such stories would have been  lost  to  history  if
they had been told.  Why was it that Jesus waited until after four days?  We
know that the Pharisees had accepted many of  the  Greek  theories   of  the
after  life.  Also a theory that the soul stays close at hand for three days
before true death sets in and the soul departs.  Many Jews today  will  tell
you  that.   The  Saducees,  on the  other  hand,  totally rejected all such
notions, even of the possibility of a resurrection.   Jesus  destroyed  both
sets  of  theories  by  raising  Lazarus after four days in the tomb.  (John
11:17)

Perhaps you insist that the sleep of the dead  is  a  semi-conscious  sleep.
The  Old  Testament  is  especially clear about the unconscious sleep of the
dead.  The New Testament is also clear:

     "His spirit departs, he returns to his earth;  In  that  very  day  his
     thoughts perish."  (Psa 146:4)

     When a wicked man dies, his hopes and expectations will perish.   (Prov
     11:7)

     The living know that they will die; but the dead know nothing.    (Eccl
     9:5)

     No knowledge or wisdom in the grave where you are going.    (Eccl 9:10)

     When he died Stephen 'fell asleep'.  (Acts 7:60)

     For this cause many . . . . sleep.  (1 Cor. 11:30)

     But some are fallen asleep.  (1 Cor 15:6)

     Which are fallen asleep in Christ (1 Cor 15:18)

     The first fruits of them that slept.  (1 Cor 15:20)

     We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed at the last  trump.
     (1 Cor. 15:51)

     But I would not have you to be ignorant . . . concerning them which are
     asleep.  The dead in Christ will rise first.  (1 Thess. 4:13-17)

     Since the fathers fell asleep.  (2 Peter 3:4)

A pastor tells the story of a family with twelve children:

     "There were twelve children in that family, and it was a happy home.  I
     loved  to  visit them every time I went to their city.  But one day the
     mother got sick and died.  What a sad funeral!  Twelve little  children
     with their father gathered around a grave.

     "The next time I visited the family, the father was trying to play  the
     role  of both father and mother to those twelve children.  There was so
     much sorrow and heartache as those little children kept  asking,  'When
     is mother coming back?  We want our mother."

Can you imagine that mother looking down from heaven and seeing her children
in  their sorrow?  Would she enjoy the bliss of heaven knowing that her fam-
ily needed her?  I'm afraid she would cry,  'Let me go down  to  my  family.
They  need me.  This isn't heaven to me when I know my family is suffering.'
What happens if her husband ends up in hell and can now plead  to  her  from
hell?

     For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not anything
     (Ecc 9:5,6)

Why not take comfort that the next conscious thoughts of our loved ones will
on  the  resurrection  day after time has passed in the twinkling of an eye.
He who  sleeps  naturally  knows  nothing  of  that  which  happens  in  his
neighbor's house or his own house.

     "Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all
     be  changed; in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trum-
     pet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised  incorrup-
     tible,  and  we  shall  be  changed.  For  this corruptible must put on
     incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.   So  when  this
     corruptible  has put on incorruption, and this mortal has put on immor-
     tality, then shall be brought to  pass  the  saying  that  is  written:
     "Death  is  swallowed up in victory."  "O Death, where is your sting? O
     Hades{grave}, where is your victory?""  --  1 Cor 15:51-55  (NKJ)   But
     thanks  be  to  God, which giveth us the victory through our Lord Jesus
     Christ.  (vs 57)

How can your soul be conscious after death if this text says we are  mortal,
waiting for immortality to come at Jesus 2nd Coming.  Jesus Christ will give
us the victory over death on that  Great  Resurrection  Day.   The  time  in
between  will  be  gone in a breathless instant.  And then we will see Jesus
face to face.

Also, why be tempted to pray to Mary or any of the other  'saints'  who  are
not  in  heaven  but  waiting  for  the great resurrection day or our Lord's
return.  Depend on Jesus and not the saints.  Call on the name of  the  Lord
who alone can save.

Dave (David E. Buxton)
From the Silicon RainForest of the Northwest