James.Quilty@comp.vuw.ac.nz (James William Quilty) (04/05/91)
I looked at the Romans 8:5-15 reference - nothing there to prove the original assertion that "Our thoughts come from 3 sources: evil spirits, good spirits and ourselves" !!! The 4 Bible translations I looked at (to ensure that I didn't get the wrong view from too small a translation base) spoke of us submitting to the "sinful part of human nature" or to the 'good' nature of God's Spririt. There was ABSOLUTELY nothing about thoughts being inserted into our heads with no free will on our part !!! Anybody got any other verses (a little stronger than the above one, I hope !) Yours, in the healthiest of healthy scepticism, Jim.
jhpb@garage.att.com (Joseph H Buehler) (04/06/91)
In article <Apr.5.04.06.11.1991.10212@athos.rutgers.edu> James.Quilty@comp.vuw.ac.nz (James William Quilty) writes:
I looked at the Romans 8:5-15 reference - nothing there to prove the
original assertion that "Our thoughts come from 3 sources: evil
spirits, good spirits and ourselves" !!!
There was ABSOLUTELY nothing about thoughts being inserted into our
heads with no free will on our part !!!
From the canonical hour of Compline:
Fratres, sobrii estote et vigilate. Quia adversarius vester
diabolas, tamquam leo rugiens circuit quaerens quem devoret, cui
resistite fortes in fide.
Brethren, be sober and watch. For your adversary the devil goes
about like a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour, whom do you
resist, strong in faith.
How does the Devil tempt people?James.Quilty@comp.vuw.ac.nz (James William Quilty) (04/08/91)
In article <Apr.6.02.46.30.1991.4052@athos.rutgers.edu>, jhpb@garage.att.com (Joseph H Buehler) writes: |> How does the Devil tempt people? Not in a direct manner, I think, because then a break in the link of casuality might be discerned, leading to proof of the existence of God/the Devil. Remember Ockham's Razor: "The soultion that involves the least number of assumptions is the best one !" Jim.