[soc.religion.christian] A Baptist writes "DEATH & the SOUL" - new book

davidbu@loowit.wr.tek.com (David E. Buxton) (04/23/91)

Have been reading an excellent book by George Wisbrock, "DEATH & the  SOUL".
Recently  published  by  ZOE-Life Books, P.O. Box 5171, Oakbrook, IL. 60522-
5171.

A friend of mine met the author quite by accident while  traveling  and  was
later  invited  to read and contribute to the pre-publication manuscript.  I
am told that George Wisbrock is  a  Baptist.   Nowhere  does  the  book  say
anything about his church.

Forward by F.  F.  Bruce,  Emeritus  Professor,  University  of  Manchester,
England.


     It would be a great step forward if those who set themselves to expound
     the  Biblical  teaching  on  these matters defined their terms clearly.
     This is particularly so with the terms  "immortal"  and  "immortality".
     In  Biblical  usage immortality belongs inherently to God alone; other-
     wise it belongs only to those to whom God gives it.  Again, where human
     beings  are  concerned,  Immortality  in the Bible is predicated of the
     body, not of the soul.

     In our western culture, thought and  language  about  immortality  have
     been  largely  determined by Plato's doctrine of the immortality of the
     soul. But any attempt to combine Plato's doctrine with the teaching  of
     the Bible can lead only to confusion.  For Plato did not mean by immor-
     tality what the biblical writers mean by it, and what  Plato  meant  by
     the soul is not what the biblical writers mean by the soul.

     For the Christian, the  hope  of  immortality  is  bound  up  with  the
     resurrection  of Christ, who "has brought life and immortality to light
     through the gospel."  By His conquest of death Christ has made . . . .

Introduction by David Lounsberry, M.D.

     In "Death and the Soul", George Wisbrock has given us a clear,  logical
     and  driving explanation of death by exploring key texts from all parts
     of the Bible.  He carefully lays the groundwork for a proper  interpre-
     tation of many Biblical passages which deal with the meanings of death,
     soul and spirit.  At the same time he emphasizes the importance of  our
     honesty when considering these statements.

     "Death and the Soul" pointedly reveals both philosophical and theologi-
     cal  inconsistencies  in  the many popular man-made theories, supersti-
     tions and myths about the meaning of death.  In  doing  this,  it  also
     explains why all the vastly different beliefs about the supposed desti-
     nation of human souls immediately after death could not possibly all be
     true.

     Surprisingly, even shockingly,  to  varying  degrees  these  unbiblical
     beliefs  are  presently  being  taught  in  many contemporary Christian
     churches. This book is therefore one that the entire Christian  commun-
     ity  needs  to  study thoroughly with Bible in hand.  It is an absolute
     "must read" for every Bible class teacher, minister and seminarian.

     We are all deeply indebted to George for his seven years  of  research,
     thought  and  prayer  during  the  preparation of this treatise.  It is
     clearly the most important book I have ever read  on  the  subjects  of
     death,  life after death, and the nature of man.  Through this book the
     Biblical teachings about Everlasting  Life  take  on  new  clarity  and
     relevance. Through this book we learn the answer to Job's question, "If
     a man die, shall he live AGAIN?"  (Job 14:14).


The rear cover of the book - Samuele Bacchiocchi, PhD, 1974 summa cum  laude
graduate of the Pontifical Gregorian University in Rome.

     From a historical, linguistic, and Biblical perspective,  Mr.  Wisbrock
     has  handled the subject well.  I have nothing but commendation for the
     fine work he has done.  No Future discussions either about death or the
     human  soul  will be complete unless the material in this book is seri-
     ously considered."

On page 9, George Wisbrock writes:

     ". . . . Yet very few people alive today, if any at all, have  actually
     developed  a belief that they have an immortal "soul" or an "immaterial
     self" dwelling within their physical bodies  because  of  a  [thorough]
     personal study of the Bible.  Instead, most people have merely accepted
     whatever they have been told about "the soul" being both immaterial and
     immortal  without  ever  questioning  the basis of that belief.  (Until
     doing extensive research for this book, I, too, was among those who had
     never  questioned mankind's traditional belief in the immaterial nature
     of an alleged immortal soul living within the human body.)"

The author quotes from "The New Catholic Encyclopedia":


     The above summary indicates that there is no dichotomy of body and soul
     in the OT.  The Israelite saw things concretely, in their totality, and
     thus he considered men as persons and  not  as  composites.   The  term
     'nepes,'  though  translated by our word soul, NEVER means soul as dis-
     tinct from the body of the individual person.  Other words  in  the  OT
     such  as  spirit,  flesh,  and  heart also signify the human person and
     differ only as various aspects of the same being.

The Jewish Encyclopedia - Immortality of the Soul

     The belief that the soul continues its existence after the  dissolution
     of  the  body  is  a matter of philosophical of theological SPECULATION
     rather than of simple  faith,  and  is  accordingly  nowhere  expressly
     taught  in  Holy Scripture . . . . The belief in the immortality of the
     soul came to the Jews from  contact  with  Greek  thought  and  chiefly
     through the philosophy of Plato, its principal exponent, who was led to
     it through Orphic and Eleusinian  mysteries  in  which  Bablyonian  and
     Egyptian views were strangely blended.

From the Encyclopedia Judaica:

     Only in the post-biblical period [many years after the Bible  had  been
     written],  did a clear and firm belief in the immortality of the soul .
     . . . become one of  the  cornerstones  of  the  Jewish  and  Christian
     faiths.

The  Wycliff  Bible  Encyclopedia,  explaining  that  Sheol  should  not  be
translated 'hell':

     Sheol is much used  in  poetry  and  often  parallels  "death"  or  the
     "grave."  A uniform translation "grave" would solve several problems of
     interpretation.

I have just sited a few of Wisbrock's quotes.  For the most part  he  sticks
with the Bible and its Hebrew and Greek.

You could discover many of the truths of his book by  obtaining  a  "Young's
Analytical  Concordance"  and  looking  up  the  words  "nephesh" (Hebrew) =
"psuche" (Greek) = soul/life/person (English);  "ruach" (Hebrew) =  "pneuma"
(Greek) = spirit/wind/breath (English); "sheol" (Hebrew) = "hades" (Greek) =
hell/grave/pit.  For example, here are the different ways in which  the  KJV
translates  Nephesh  into  English:  any(4  times),  appetite (2), beast(2),
body(7),  breath(1),   creature(9),   dead_body(8),   desire(5),   ghost(2),
heart(15), life(119), lust(2), man(3), mind(15), one(1), own(1), person(30),
pleasure(4), self(19), soul(428), thing(2), will(5), mortal(1).  Look up the
texts  and  you  will find that Biblical souls have blood, bodies, minds and
can indeed die.  You will find that ancient nations have souls, clearly  not
immortal.    Even  God  has 'nephesh' and of course God is immortal.  in Job
34:14,15 we see that if God withdrew 'nephesh' and 'ruach' from  the  earth,
all life would cease and return to dust.

Some insist that the Old Testament 'soul' (nephesh),  is  the  soul  of  the
beasts,  including  man,  the  lower soul; and that the New Testament 'soul'
(psuche) is the higher soul that only man has.  But when the Jews translated
the  OT  into Greek, they used 'psuche' to replace translate from 'nephesh'.
There are many texts where one or more translations  use  'soul'  and  other
translations use a variety of ther words.  Also, remember that when Jesus is
quoted, He spoke Aramaic which had to be translated into Greek.  Look up all
the instantiations of 'psuche' in the NT and it becomes quite clear that the
Biblical 'psuche' matches that of the OT psuche are not  immortal  as  Plato
would  have  it.   Nowhere does the Bible attach immortality to these words.
We find the same sort of thing when we study 'ruach' and 'pneuma', most com-
monly translated 'spirit'.

Plato has been quoted and indulged by both Jews and the "early Fathers" into
fabulous fables of life before and birth and after death.  But the Bible, if
we examine it closely and exhaustively, is abundantly  clear  that  man  has
neither pre-existance nor immortality.  This is especially clear if we go to
the Hebrew and Greek to try and understand what the writers were saying when
their vernacular was contemporary.

Immortality is given only to the saints at the resurrection.   It  is  prom-
isary  until  then.   Just  as Christ's death and resurrection was promisary
until He came and died and was raised again.  So immortality  is  a  promise
that we can count on.  And we have the Biblical assurance that Satan and his
host will be destroyed in the lake of fire such that they will be thoroughly
consumed  with eternal results and no hope of any sort of re-incarnation, to
rise and torment anyone in God's universe.

Dave (David E. Buxton)
From the Silicon RainForest of the Northwest

tspyrou@uunet.uu.net (Tom Spyrou) (04/25/91)

The St. Herman of Alaska Brotherhood in Platina , CA has translated 
a book from ancient Slavonic / Greek Fathers on the state of the soul after
death called "The Soul After Death". It States the Orthodox Christian facts
on the Soul After Death, from now until the Judgement day, and then after.

St. Herman of Alaska Brotherhood
PO Box 70
Platina, CA 96076

jhpb@garage.att.com (Joseph H Buehler) (04/29/91)

In article <Apr.24.23.54.06.1991.11318@athos.rutgers.edu> decwrl!vlsisj!tspyrou@uunet.uu.net (Tom Spyrou) writes:

   The St. Herman of Alaska Brotherhood in Platina , CA has translated 
   a book from ancient Slavonic / Greek Fathers on the state of the soul after
   death called "The Soul After Death". It States the Orthodox Christian facts
   on the Soul After Death, from now until the Judgement day, and then after.

1. Who is St. Herman of Alaska?

2. Who wrote the original of the work you are referring to?

a Catholic interested in patrology