jhaynes@ohstpy.mps.ohio-state.edu (05/17/91)
Before jumping into this study please keep an open mind. I hope Jesus does come in my life time, but if he doesn't then I know I should continue to live as if he were coming today. Revelation 20:1-3 1 And I saw an angel coming down out of heaven, having the key to the Abyss and holding in his hand a great chain. 2 He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent, who is the devil, or Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3 He threw him into the Abyss, and locked and sealed it over him, to keep him from deceiving the nations anymore until the thousand years were ended. After that, he must be set free for a short time. (NIV) Satan's short time is at hand and the Church is at it's final stage of the prophecies of God. God himself will appear before all the nations and cast judgment on them all. The signs are clear to those who will seek the truth in God's word. The scriptures you are about to read will show the evidences that we are in the end times and the redeptions of God's people is at hand. Daniel 12:1-10 1 "At that time Michael, the great prince who protects your people, will arise. There will be a time of distress such as has not happened from the beginning of nations until then. But at that time your people-- everyone whose name is found written in the book-- will be delivered. 2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. 3 Those who are wise will shine like the brightness of the heavens, and those who lead many to righteousness, like the stars for ever and ever. 4 But you, Daniel, close up and seal the words of the scroll until the time of the end. Many will go here and there to increase knowledge." 5 Then I, Daniel, looked, and there before me stood two others, one on this bank of the river and one on the opposite bank. 6 One of them said to the man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, "How long will it be before these astonishing things are fulfilled?" 7 The man clothed in linen, who was above the waters of the river, lifted his right hand and his left hand toward heaven, and I heard him swear by him who lives forever, saying, "It will be for a time, times and half a time. When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed." 8 I heard, but I did not understand. So I asked, "My lord, what will the outcome of all this be?" 9 He replied, "Go your way, Daniel, because the words are closed up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand. (NIV) Matt 24:21-25 21 For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now-- and never to be equaled again. 22 If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23 At that time if anyone says to you, `Look, here is the Christ!' or, `There he is!' do not believe it. 24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect-- if that were possible. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time. (NIV) Looking to the prophecy in Daniel 12 the word wise and knowledge are used. The word wise refers to the knowledge of the Gospel of Jesus, and the word knowledge refers to the wisdom of this world were people will travel to increase worldly knowledge. Those who are wise will understand what is happening Jesus warns us that there will be and infact are false christs and prophets in the world today to deceive even the elect if that were possible. This is the powerful delusion that God himself send to deceive thought who will not look to the bible for the true meaning. The next set of scriptures will show that a believe can come to know the truth in the scriptures if he continues to seek a understanding through the guides of the Holy Spirit. John 14:26 But the Counselor, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you. (NIV) John 16:12-15 12 "I have much more to say to you, more than you can now bear. 13 But when he, the Spirit of truth, comes, he will guide you into all truth. He will not speak on his own; he will speak only what he hears, and he will tell you what is yet to come. 14 He will bring glory to me by taking from what is mine and making it known to you. 15 All that belongs to the Father is mine. That is why I said the Spirit will take from what is mine and make it known to you. (NIV) 1 John 2:27 As for you, the anointing you received from him remains in you, and you do not need anyone to teach you. But as his anointing teaches you about all things and as that anointing is real, not counterfeit-- just as it has taught you, remain in him. (NIV) Here we see that Jesus tells us that when the Holy Spirit comes to us that he will guide us into ALL TRUTH not partial truth but ALL TRUTH. Satan is the one who gives us partial and uses the word of God yes for Satan used the word against Jesus to try to deceive him. We get this truth through the Word of God and no place else. This can only come about through constant use. 1 Peter 2:2-3 2 Like newborn babies, crave pure spiritual milk, so that by it you may grow up in your salvation, 3 now that you have tasted that the Lord is good. (NIV) Hebrews 5:12-14 12 In fact, though by this time you ought to be teachers, you need someone to teach you the elementary truths of God's word all over again. You need milk, not solid food! 13 Anyone who lives on milk, being still an infant, is not acquainted with the teaching about righteousness. 14 But solid food is for the mature, who by constant use have trained themselves to distinguish good from evil. (NIV) 1 Corinthians 2:10-16 10 but God has revealed it to us by his Spirit. The Spirit searches all things, even the deep things of God. 11 For who among men knows the thoughts of a man except the man's spirit within him? In the same way no one knows the thoughts of God except the Spirit of God. 12 We have not received the spirit of the world but the Spirit who is from God, that we may understand what God has freely given us. 13 This is what we speak, not in words taught us by human wisdom but in words taught by the Spirit, expressing spiritual truths in spiritual words. 14 The man without the Spirit does not accept the things that come from the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him, and he cannot understand them, because they are spiritually discerned. 15 The spiritual man makes judgments about all things, but he himself is not subject to any man's judgment: 16 "For who has known the mind of the Lord that he may instruct him?" But we have the mind of Christ. (NIV) We are to test everything even the things we believe the Holy Spirit is teaching us to be certain that the teaching is from God. Through constant use of the scriptures we can see and test that what we receive from God is true. Now to look to some of the things the bible says about the end of time and what the signs will be. Luke 21:25-28 25 "There will be signs in the sun, moon and stars. On the earth, nations will be in anguish and perplexity at the roaring and tossing of the sea. 26 Men will faint from terror, apprehensive of what is coming on the world, for the heavenly bodies will be shaken. 27 At that time they will see the Son of Man coming in a cloud with power and great glory. 28 When these things begin to take place, stand up and lift up your heads, because your redemption is drawing near." (NIV) Gen 1:14-19 14 And God said, "Let there be lights in the expanse of the sky to separate the day from the night, and let them serve as signs to mark seasons and days and years, 15 and let them be lights in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth." And it was so. 16 God made two great lights-- the greater light to govern the day and the lesser light to govern the night. He also made the stars. 17 God set them in the expanse of the sky to give light on the earth, 18 to govern the day and the night, and to separate light from darkness. And God saw that it was good. 19 And there was evening, and there was morning-- the fourth day. (NIV) Here we see that Jesus speaks of signs in the sun, moon, and stars and using the bible to get an understanding of this we see in Genesis that the sun, moon, and stars are to mark of seasons. I believe that we will see unseasonable weather around the world. This are some end time signs to look for. Let's look to other places in the bible to see others signs to look out for. Luke 21:10-11 10 Then he said to them: "Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. 11 There will be great earthquakes, famines and pestilences in various places, and fearful events and great signs from heaven. (NIV) Matt 24:7-8 7 Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8 All these are the beginning of birth pains. (NIV) Romans 8:18-25 18 I consider that our present sufferings are not worth comparing with the glory that will be revealed in us. 19 The creation waits in eager expectation for the sons of God to be revealed. 20 For the creation was subjected to frustration, not by its own choice, but by the will of the one who subjected it, in hope 21 that the creation itself will be liberated from its bondage to decay and brought into the glorious freedom of the children of God. 22 We know that the whole creation has been groaning as in the pains of childbirth right up to the present time. 23 Not only so, but we ourselves, who have the firstfruits of the Spirit, groan inwardly as we wait eagerly for our adoption as sons, the redemption of our bodies. 24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has? 25 But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently. (NIV) Here are a few other signs that show us that we are closer to the end. Nations rising against nations and wars and the earth itself is showing the signs of decay. Through the ages though we can see this signs all appearing in part but all of them have to be happening at the same time. Such like the prophecy in Daniel where people will travel to increase worldly knowledge, the pestilences, earthquakes, and as in birth pains they will be more severe and closer together. Now we will look to the bible of the signs of the false christs and false prophets because this to must be in place for all the other signs to line up to show us of the time of the end. I believe that through the next set of scriptures you will see that Satan will imatate the Church and all of the functions the church had in the begin in the first century. First the scriptures on the early church and the imatation church and at the end of the age. Mark 16:16-20 16 Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe will be condemned. 17 And these signs will accompany those who believe: In my name they will drive out demons; they will speak in new tongues; 18 they will pick up snakes with their hands; and when they drink deadly poison, it will not hurt them at all; they will place their hands on sick people, and they will get well." 19 After the Lord Jesus had spoken to them, he was taken up into heaven and he sat at the right hand of God. 20 Then the disciples went out and preached everywhere, and the Lord worked with them and confirmed his word by the signs that accompanied it. (NIV) Heb 2:4 God also testified to it by signs, wonders and various miracles, and gifts of the Holy Spirit distributed according to his will. (NIV) 1 Cor 12:11 All these are the work of one and the same Spirit, and he gives them to each one, just as he determines. (NIV) These three passage clearly state that the signs, wonders, and mircles were given to confirm God's word and distributed according to the will of God and not by the will of man. Acts 2:1-13 1 When the day of Pentecost came, they were all together in one place. 2 Suddenly a sound like the blowing of a violent wind came from heaven and filled the whole house where they were sitting. 3 They saw what seemed to be tongues of fire that separated and came to rest on each of them. 4 All of them were filled with the Holy Spirit and began to speak in other tongues as the Spirit enabled them. 5 Now there were staying in Jerusalem God-fearing Jews from every nation under heaven. 6 When they heard this sound, a crowd came together in bewilderment, because each one heard them speaking in his own language. 7 Utterly amazed, they asked: "Are not all these men who are speaking Galileans? 8 Then how is it that each of us hears them in his own native language? 9 Parthians, Medes and Elamites; residents of Mesopotamia, Judea and Cappadocia, Pontus and Asia, 10 Phrygia and Pamphylia, Egypt and the parts of Libya near Cyrene; visitors from Rome 11 (both Jews and converts to Judaism); Cretans and Arabs-- we hear them declaring the wonders of God in our own tongues!" 12 Amazed and perplexed, they asked one another, "What does this mean?" 13 Some, however, made fun of them and said, "They have had too much wine." (NIV) We can see that on the day of Pentecost that the tongues that were spoken were understood by the hears in there own language. Acts 2:42-43 42 They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. 43 Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles. (NIV) Signs done by the apostles. Acts 10:44-48 44 While Peter was still speaking these words, the Holy Spirit came on all who heard the message. 45 The circumcised believers who had come with Peter were astonished that the gift of the Holy Spirit had been poured out even on the Gentiles. 46 For they heard them speaking in tongues and praising God. Then Peter said, 47 "Can anyone keep these people from being baptized with water? They have received the Holy Spirit just as we have." 48 So he ordered that they be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ. Then they asked Peter to stay with them for a few days. (NIV) Tongues are a sign for unbelievers not believers. 1 Corinthians 14:22 Tongues, then, are a sign, not for believers but for unbelievers; prophecy, however, is for believers, not for unbelievers. (NIV) Acts 19:1-6 1 While Apollos was at Corinth, Paul took the road through the interior and arrived at Ephesus. There he found some disciples 2 and asked them, "Did you receive the Holy Spirit when you believed?" They answered, "No, we have not even heard that there is a Holy Spirit." 3 So Paul asked, "Then what baptism did you receive?" "John's baptism," they replied. 4 Paul said, "John's baptism was a baptism of repentance. He told the people to believe in the one coming after him, that is, in Jesus." 5 On hearing this, they were baptized into the name of the Lord Jesus. 6 When Paul placed his hands on them, the Holy Spirit came on them, and they spoke in tongues and prophesied. (NIV) 2 Corinthians 12:12 The things that mark an apostle-- signs, wonders and miracles-- were done among you with great perseverance. (NIV) Rev 21:14 The wall of the city had twelve foundations, and on them were the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb. (NIV) In these two verses it tells us that there are ONLY twelve apostles of the Lamb. 1 Corinthians 13:8-13 8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when perfection comes, the imperfect disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put childish ways behind me. 12 Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known. 13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love. (NIV) In the text on 1 Corinthians 13 needs to be exmined for the truth of this matter on prophecy, tongues, and knowledge. Prophecy is the truth from God of a future event. Tongues is the ability to speak another man's language without prior training in it. Knowledge is a true reveal about a prophecy that is only in part or the fulfilment of the prophecy. An example of knowledge is like the prophecy of the resurrection the old testament reveals this true but Paul reveal knowledge of this. The following text reveals this. Job 19:25-27 25 I know that my Redeemer lives, and that in the end he will stand upon the earth. 26 And after my skin has been destroyed, yet in my flesh I will see God; 27 I myself will see him with my own eyes-- I, and not another. How my heart yearns within me! (NIV) Isaiah 26:19-20 19 But your dead will live; their bodies will rise. You who dwell in the dust, wake up and shout for joy. Your dew is like the dew of the morning; the earth will give birth to her dead. 20 Go, my people, enter your rooms and shut the doors behind you; hide yourselves for a little while until his wrath has passed by. (NIV) Daniel 12:2 Multitudes who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake: some to everlasting life, others to shame and everlasting contempt. (NIV) 1 Cor 15:51-54 51 Listen, I tell you a mystery: We will not all sleep, but we will all be changed-- 52 in a flash, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, the dead will be raised imperishable, and we will be changed. 53 For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality. 54 When the perishable has been clothed with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality, then the saying that is written will come true: "Death has been swallowed up in victory." (NIV) 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 13 Brothers, we do not want you to be ignorant about those who fall asleep, or to grieve like the rest of men, who have no hope. 14 We believe that Jesus died and rose again and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15 According to the Lord's own word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left till the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16 For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever. 18 Therefore encourage each other with these words. (NIV) The knowledge that Paul reveals about the resurrection is that we who are still alive will be changed in a flash to immortality. Back to 1 Corinthians 13 the text is talking about the word of God when it is complete or perfect as the texts states. For prophecy is God's word, tongues are a gift to reveal God's truth in another language and knowledge is more truth about God's truth. This text is clear in saying that when this is complete or prefect that prophecy, tongues, and knowledge will ceased. And in contrast, that these three will remain after the perfect word of God is here, faith, hope, and love. Now some teach a false doctrine that the passage is speaking about when Jesus return but Paul is speaking on prophecy coming to perfection not when Christ returns he speaks of Christ return in Chapter 15. And keeping with the text why would we need faith and hope when the bible speaks clearly on this. Hebrews 11:1 Now faith is being sure of what we hope for and certain of what we do not see. (NIV) Romans 8:24 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has? (NIV) There will be no need for hope or faith when Jesus return because we will already have obtained what we have put our hope and faith in. Now to the false church at the end of the age. Matt 24:24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect-- if that were possible. (NIV) 2 Thessalonians 2:1-12 1 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, 2 not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come. 3 Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4 He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God. 5 Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6 And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7 For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way. 8 And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord Jesus will overthrow with the breath of his mouth and destroy by the splendor of his coming. 9 The coming of the lawless one will be in accordance with the work of Satan displayed in all kinds of counterfeit miracles, signs and wonders, 10 and in every sort of evil that deceives those who are perishing. They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved. 11 For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12 and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness. (NIV) This passage scripture says that countfeit signs, wonders, and mircles will proceed Jesus's second coming. 2 Corinthians 11:13-15 13 For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, masquerading as apostles of Christ. 14 And no wonder, for Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light. 15 It is not surprising, then, if his servants masquerade as servants of righteousness. Their end will be what their actions deserve. (NIV) Rev 16:12-15 12 The sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up to prepare the way for the kings from the East. 13 Then I saw three evil spirits that looked like frogs; they came out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 They are spirits of demons performing miraculous signs, and they go out to the kings of the whole world, to gather them for the battle on the great day of God Almighty. 15 "Behold, I come like a thief! Blessed is he who stays awake and keeps his clothes with him, so that he may not go naked and be shamefully exposed." (NIV) The bible reveals to us that this will be a powerful delusion that will deceive many but Jesus tells us that the elect will be able to see that these men are not from God but of the devil. Let's see how we are to test there teachings and to see if they are from God. Matt 7:15-23 15 "Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. 16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles? 17 Likewise every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit. 18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them. 21 "Not everyone who says to me, `Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven, but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 Many will say to me on that day, `Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and in your name drive out demons and perform many miracles?' 23 Then I will tell them plainly, `I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!' (NIV) Note that their defence is that they thought they were doing these things in the name of Jesus and by his authority. But I believe that Jesus tells us that when we see people doing this that Satan's end has come. This delusion will be so powerful that I believe that the people caught up in this that they are truly saved. Mark 3:23-26 23 So Jesus called them and spoke to them in parables: "How can Satan drive out Satan? 24 If a kingdom is divided against itself, that kingdom cannot stand. 25 If a house is divided against itself, that house cannot stand. 26 And if Satan opposes himself and is divided, he cannot stand; his end has come. (NIV) 2 Pet 2:1-3 1 But there were also false prophets among the people, just as there will be false teachers among you. They will secretly introduce destructive heresies, even denying the sovereign Lord who bought them-- bringing swift destruction on themselves. 2 Many will follow their shameful ways and will bring the way of truth into disrepute. 3 In their greed these teachers will exploit you with stories they have made up. Their condemnation has long been hanging over them, and their destruction has not been sleeping. (NIV) 1 Timothy 4:1-5 1 The Spirit clearly says that in later times some will abandon the faith and follow deceiving spirits and things taught by demons. 2 Such teachings come through hypocritical liars, whose consciences have been seared as with a hot iron. 3 They forbid people to marry and order them to abstain from certain foods, which God created to be received with thanksgiving by those who believe and who know the truth. 4 For everything God created is good, and nothing is to be rejected if it is received with thanksgiving, 5 because it is consecrated by the word of God and prayer. (NIV) 2 Timothy 4:3-4 3 For the time will come when men will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear. 4 They will turn their ears away from the truth and turn aside to myths. (NIV) 1 Timothy 6:3-5 3 If anyone teaches false doctrines and does not agree to the sound instruction of our Lord Jesus Christ and to godly teaching, 4 he is conceited and understands nothing. He has an unhealthy interest in controversies and quarrels about words that result in envy, strife, malicious talk, evil suspicions 5 and constant friction between men of corrupt mind, who have been robbed of the truth and who think that godliness is a means to financial gain. (NIV) James 1:5-8 5 If any of you lacks wisdom, he should ask God, who gives generously to all without finding fault, and it will be given to him. 6 But when he asks, he must believe and not doubt, because he who doubts is like a wave of the sea, blown and tossed by the wind. 7 That man should not think he will receive anything from the Lord; 8 he is a double-minded man, unstable in all he does. (NIV) Doctrine is very important to know it and to see that it agrees with the teachings of the bible. Their are many who just take man for his word and do not test what they say. We need to pay careful attention to see what is said is true by the scriptures. Jesus says to look at the fruit to see that they from God the fruit is the fruit of the spirit. Gal 5:22-23 22 But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, 23 gentleness and self-control. Against such things there is no law. (NIV) Be careful to look carefully at each teacher who claims to be from God because Satan himself masquerades as and angel of light and the teachers appear to be minsters of righteousness. 2 Tim 3:1-5 1 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God-- 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with them. (NIV) This to you should test to see if this document conforms to the Word of God. I always pray that this verse for myself. 2 Tim 2:15 Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a workman who does not need to be ashamed and who correctly handles the word of truth. (NIV) I believe that we are in the end times for the reasons that the false church is in the world today and they are performing signs, wonders, and mircles and claiming to be from God and many of the T.V. evangelist are using them for finacial gain but by there fruits they can and have been convicted of there fruits of greed. I do believe God answers prayers and that he works in his church today through prayer. James 5:13-16 13 Is any one of you in trouble? He should pray. Is anyone happy? Let him sing songs of praise. 14 Is any one of you sick? He should call the elders of the church to pray over him and anoint him with oil in the name of the Lord. 15 And the prayer offered in faith will make the sick person well; the Lord will raise him up. If he has sinned, he will be forgiven. 16 Therefore confess your sins to each other and pray for each other so that you may be healed. The prayer of a righteous man is powerful and effective. (NIV) Put on the full armor of God and test the spirit and see if they are from God. Eph 6:10-18 10 Finally, be strong in the Lord and in his mighty power. 11 Put on the full armor of God so that you can take your stand against the devil's schemes. 12 For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms. 13 Therefore put on the full armor of God, so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand. 14 Stand firm then, with the belt of truth buckled around your waist, with the breastplate of righteousness in place, 15 and with your feet fitted with the readiness that comes from the gospel of peace. 16 In addition to all this, take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming arrows of the evil one. 17 Take the helmet of salvation and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God. 18 And pray in the Spirit on all occasions with all kinds of prayers and requests. With this in mind, be alert and always keep on praying for all the saints. (NIV) 1 Jn 4:1-4 1 Dear friends, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world. 2 This is how you can recognize the Spirit of God: Every spirit that acknowledges that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is from God, 3 but every spirit that does not acknowledge Jesus is not from God. This is the spirit of the antichrist, which you have heard is coming and even now is already in the world. 4 You, dear children, are from God and have overcome them, because the one who is in you is greater than the one who is in the world. (NIV) 1 Thes 5:21 Test everything. Hold on to the good. (NIV) The bible reveals that these falses teachers will use the name of Jesus. 2 Cor 11:3-4 3 But I am afraid that just as Eve was deceived by the serpent's cunning, your minds may somehow be led astray from your sincere and pure devotion to Christ. 4 For if someone comes to you and preaches a Jesus other than the Jesus we preached, or if you receive a different spirit from the one you received, or a different gospel from the one you accepted, you put up with it easily enough. (NIV) In conclusion I believe that through constant use of the scripture you will see that what is stated above is true and that those who practise the prophecy, tongues, and knowledge and also the false sign, wonders, and mircles are caught up in the powerful delusion that is from God and if they do not come to the truth they will perish. Words of Jesus he warns ahead of time. Matt 24:24-25 24 For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect-- if that were possible. 25 See, I have told you ahead of time. (NIV) In His Hands, Joel A. Haynes Proverbs 27:17 "As iron sharpens iron, so one man sharpens another." (NIV) clh you can cut this into part one and two or three if you like.
hudson@athena.cs.uga.edu (Paul Hudson Jr) (05/19/91)
One of the points of your message was that signs accompanied the apostles, and that the gates in Revelation only had the names of twelve apostles. Then you continued to quote the writings of Paul. Paul was not one of the twelve. Some people hold to the theory that Matthias was not God's choice, and that Paul was supposed to be the twelth apostle. Yet Paul travelled with another apostle, Barnabas. Barnabas was not one of the twleve. Yet he was an apostle. So we see that one does not have to be one of the twelve to have a gift. Also, look at I Corinthians 14. These were not apostles, and they exercised gifts of the Spirit. I agree with your statement that in the last days false signs will be shown. Yet false signs and false apostles traveled in the Paul's day. Did that make Paul any less an apostle? Did that make his gifts or his work any less legitimate. Even so the gifts that are exercised in the church today, that are legitimate, are not from Satan. There are those who use the name of God and the name of Christ to make money, and they work against the Lord's will. But that does not make those who teach teh truth into liers. I have a question about I Corinthians 13. Do we know see God perfectly? Do we see him face to face? Are we more grown-up than Paul, who had revelations that he was not allowed to share with mankind (I Corinthians 12.) Did Paul live to see the cannon put together. He would have lived over 250 years. Paul was looking forward to seeing Him face to face. But if this refers to the Scriptures, then it was not something that Paul would see in his lifetime. Was Paul a child, where we are adults? I think not. Link Hudson.
BINDNER@auvm.auvm.edu (05/23/91)
The mention of the twelve is in keeping with revelation as a mysitical book. Twelve apostles are used as the new model of the twelve sons of Isreal (the twelve tribes). These correspond to the twelve stones which are found on the walls of the new Jerusalem. These twelve stones are the twelve birthstones of the zodiac. This is an obvious allusion to astrology. From this allusion (a as in aardvark, not i as in illusion) we can conclude one (or both) of two things: 1. God is the author of astrology and approves of its use (the middle aged church believed this) and 2. the author of Revelation was knowledgeable in the area of astrology. If you don't believe me look it up in Rev and crossreference with a jeweler or an astrologer or book on astrology. Until I post again, Peace Michael
billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp) (06/02/91)
In article <May.22.21.16.20.1991.21005@athos.rutgers.edu> BINDNER@auvm.auvm.edu writes: >The mention of the twelve is in keeping with revelation as a mysitical >book. Twelve apostles are used as the new model of the twelve sons >of Isreal (the twelve tribes). These correspond to the twelve stones >which are found on the walls of the new Jerusalem. These twelve stones ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ I don't have a Bible here at work, but aren't these 12 stones 12 layers of the foundation of the New Jerusalem (not the walls)??? >are the twelve birthstones of the zodiac. This is an obvious allusion >to astrology. From this allusion (a as in aardvark, not i as in illusion) >we can conclude one (or both) of two things: 1. God is the author of >astrology and approves of its use (the middle aged church believed this) and >2. the author of Revelation was knowledgeable in the area of astrology. >If you don't believe me look it up in Rev and crossreference with a jeweler >or an astrologer or book on astrology. ..or 3) Astrology adopted these stones after Revelation was written (as a link to "justify" and/or legitimize astrology). 4) God has a sense of humor (see this parallel thread) and used these stones even though there is no relationship between astrology and Judaism or Christianity. BTW: If you check different sources for birthstones, you are likely to find that not all months have the same stone in the different sources. Some month have as many as 2 or 3 different stones depending upon which sources you check.
jclark@sdcc6.ucsd.edu (John Clark) (06/03/91)
In article <Jun.2.01.41.52.1991.16506@athos.rutgers.edu> billg@bony1.bony.com (Bill Gripp) writes:
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+>are the twelve birthstones of the zodiac. This is an obvious allusion
+>to astrology. From this allusion (a as in aardvark, not i as in illusion)
+>we can conclude one (or both) of two things: 1. God is the author of
Have you ever heard of the 'Kabbala'? There is a long tradition of
interpreting Biblical text in terms of some esoteric knowledge.
There has been much crossover from Kabbala, ceremonial magick and
various forms of occultisms.
Of course there are some who would argue that the Revelations writer
was well steeped in Middle Eastern magick practices and was writing
accordingly.
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John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu