mrr2ro@buhub.bradley.edu (Arturo Pinzon) (06/22/91)
I have a question for you.. Why is it that the so called "Crhistians" try to push their religion trough anyones eye without considering their values or without respecting their believes? Why is it that the only way vto go to heaven (if there is one) ]is trough Cristhianity?.. Why is it that Cristianity totally refuses evolution and even have the nerve to claim that the earth is 10000 years old.. How do we know that Jesus Christ was who he claimed to be? If we were as backward and ignorant as the people was back then,, nowdays,, this great magician (David Coperfield) (I'm not sure how to spell it) could easily claim that he is God or something like that and WE will believe him due to the fact of what we see.. We now that he is a grate ilusionist dissapearing things, levitating, and all sort of things that he does, that is more that enought to convince someone that does not know what is going on.. That person "the ignorant".. after seen this magical act will be amazed and chances are that he will put the magician at the same level of God.. just because the trick that that person saw.. If there is one God, and there is only one Crhist.. Why is it that there are so many different denominations for Crhistian churches,, Methodist, Lutheran, Presbiteryan, scientist.. ans so on... Why Christians take the Bible so literaly it was a book written long time ago.. things have change but they still keep following the same book.. which is Racist, predegist, and 100% BS.. I have read it many times,, just look what it says about women.. According to the Bible women are not capable of thinking and have to follow their husbands and be submisive and in other words be a slave.. Why is it that the Chistian Bible is missing some books that the "original" Bible have,, Book of wisdom for example.. Who in the ... was King James.. and why do you guys believe in that *** He just wanted to keep his kingdom going and in that time religion was the best weapon that he had, and at the same time religion ( Faith) nwas the most effective controling instrument.. If God is Holly Power, and he is omnipower, omnipresence, and GOD it self what right whatsoever do christians have to put boundries to him.. Boundries such as,, Human shape,, People that claims that know him and understand him.. if someone knows God and Understand him,, there is no more mistery about God,, therefore there is no more God.. Because if you understand him and Know him so well,, you cvan become God yourself,, How come that all this Christian priests, are so controling and money hunters. all that they care is money, nice cars, and women.. Who pays for them,, the Christian Faith,, Just because thay Cry in t.v. and hold a Bible in their hands.. We don't need people like that,, we are smart enough to read the Bible and Undestand it.. thanks to our intelligence, intelect or our capability of thinking (whatever you want to call it).. ` Well, just some questions of the 10000000 questions that I have.. Please,, if you are going to reply,, just do it but don't try to convince me in to Crhistinaity.. I have been around Christians,, My best Friend is Christian, I socialize with Christians, and I am glad that they have understand at last who am I, and what are my believes, and finally they stopped pushing.. and I like it,, so don't try to convince me ,, I have been in crusades, conferences, bible study, sunday school, church,, adn still Christianity does not ring the bells,, I do Believe in God ,, I do respect him, I do pray to him, I am thankful to him, I trust him with all my heart, I know he is with me always, I know he is watching me always, and I believe he talks to me through my consience since when I do something that is not quite applausible,, my consience bothers me alot.. I will keep in the search of a religion that conceives God in the way that he should be, I would keep my search for people that respect him as he should be respected, I will keep searching for people that loves him by heart no just because their parents told them to.. I feel really confortable around Crhistians because they are almost what I am looking for.. the Poblem is the way that they view Jesus, AI think is too much admiration,, I thinbk that God should get more attention.. and i think he deseves more honest people. Because my theory is,, As far as you are good to you self, your friends. your family, and the stranger, as fa as you thank your Lord God,(whatever Conception youi have of him), as far as you have a clean consience, you are in good stand whit god (please don't quote this).."I mean don take it literaly "Good stand with God" or God's side",, I don't really know how to put it) I hope you get the message)) No matter what church you belong to, no matter who you think God is, as far as yuo are Good,, you ae in Gods' side (again don't quote me) Who is to say good and bad.. you consience is the best judge,, some people can overcome it, but not trully.. well flame me if you want,, I just wnat to know and get moe and more knowledge about this... thanks.. MRR2RO -- Pedro Arturo Pinzon. mrr2ro@buhub.bradley.edu Bradley University mrr2ro@bucs1.bradley.edu Peoria, IL. mrr2ro@bucc1.brdaley.edu <"..">
gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu (Garance A. Drosehn) (06/23/91)
mrr2ro@buhub.bradley.edu (Arturo Pinzon) writes: > I have a question for you... Quite a few questions, actually. > Why is it that the so called "Christians" try to push their religion > through anyone's eye without considering their values or without > respecting their beliefs? assuming it's a christian who has their head on straight-> It's because we believe the gospel message to be true, and if it is true then it is most certainly good news. Why would one want to keep silent about good news? > Why is it that the only way to go to heaven (if there is one) is > through Christianity?.. Because someone has to make a sacrifice for sins. Someone who wasn't guilty of sin themself. Most other religions do not even address this question, they claim you can find your way to God by doing some special sequence of works. Christianity is a religion where God is doing all the work in order to find and save man. Man cannot save themselves (that's my own opinion, at least). > Why is it that Christianity totally refuses evolution and even have the > nerve to claim that the earth is 10000 years old.. This varies with the Christian you're talking to. Some pretty much embrace evolution, others (like me) think evolution is nuts. It should be noted here that I thought evolution was nuts before I made my decisions about the bible. I just think it doesn't make any sense, and it doesn't have a very good record as far as "science" goes. This topic, by itself, could be a very long debate, but all I want to say about it for now is the observation that there are Christians (and non-Christians, for that matter) on both sides of the issue. Of course, all the non-Christians don't accept Genesis, it's just that some of them don't accept evolution as a scientific fact either. > How do we know that Jesus Christ was who he claimed to be? By what he does in our lives. It's important to study the bible and to learn what information is contained there, but in the final analysis the only real proof is what happens in the lives (of at least some) of the people who accept Christ as their savior. > If we were as backward and ignorant as the people was back then,, > nowadays,, this great magician (David Coperfield) (I'm not sure how to > spell it) could easily claim that he is God or something like that and > WE will believe him due to the fact of what we see.. We now that he is > a great illusionist disappearing things, levitating, and all sort of > things that he does, that is more that enough to convince someone > that does not know what is going on. God is more than magic tricks, and the new testament is much more than flashy miracles. David Cooperfield might be able to fake a crucifixion, perhaps, if he wanted to, but he would not have known *why* that was important to do. He'd be too busy making statues disappear to know how to deal with the issues of the human heart. > That person "the ignorant".. after seen this magical act will be > amazed and chances are that he will put the magician at the same > level of God.. just because the trick that that person saw.. Perhaps true, at least for awhile. It's awfully hard to convince someone to be willing to die for a person they have never seen though (remembering that many christians who died in the collesiums of Rome had never actually seen any of the miracles of Jesus). There is more going on than mere magic tricks. > If there is one God, and there is only one Christ.. > > Why is it that there are so many different denominations for Christian > churches,, Methodist, Lutheran, Presbyterian, scientist.. Because we (christians) are imperfect. We make mistakes, misunderstand passages, or try to "help God along" by reading things into the bible that no one ever wrote there. Just for the record, I'd almost be willing to bet that every single denomination is wrong about some of the details they give as doctrine. We're human, we goof up. > Why Christians take the Bible so literally it was a book written long > time ago.. things have change but they still keep following the same > book.. Because I haven't read any books that make more sense about the heart and soul of mankind, including the heart and soul of me personally. > which is Racist, predegist, and 100% BS... I do not believe it to be racist or prejudiced. I think we just disagree on this one. > I have read it many times,, just look what it says about women.. > According to the Bible women are not capable of thinking and have to > follow their husbands and be submissive and in other words be a slave.. Being submissive is not the same as being incapable of thought. Besides, have you read what it requires of the husband? The problem with the sexes and the bible is not the comments the bible has about women, it's that men have managed to ignore everything said in the bible about the responsibilities that man have. > Why is it that the Christian Bible is missing some books that the > "original" Bible has,, Book of wisdom for example.. > > Who in the ... was King James.. and why do you guys believe in that > *** He just wanted to keep his kingdom going and in that time religion was > the best weapon that he had, and at the same time religion ( Faith) was > the most effective controlling instrument.. Note that there have been many translations done since King James, most of which had nothing to do with the British kingdom (or any other kingdom). The translations that result are not all that different from King James. I do not know the motives of King James, of course, but the translation is a pretty good job considering the information they had at the time. As for which books are in the bible, I'm not sure I could answer that. The books that are there fit together very well (in my opinion, at least), but I don't know how one decides between all the books that claimed to be part of the bible. Someone correct me on this, but I don't think that King James had anything to do with the selection of which books were in the bible (he certainly didn't for the catholic bible, and I'm pretty sure the protestant bible was also canonized well before he came into power). > If God is Holy Power, and he is omnipower, omnipresence, and GOD it self > what right whatsoever do christians have to put boundaries to him.. > > Boundaries such as,, Human shape,, > People that claims that know him and understand him.. People claim whatever they want to claim. That doesn't make their claims true. There is a passage that points out the fact that no one knows God (in the sense of understanding everything about him). > if someone knows God and Understand him,, there is no more mystery > about God,, therefore there is no more God.. > > Because if you understand him and Know him so well,, you can become > God yourself,, For the most part these are true statements. It is absurd for finite man to assume he knows everything about an infinite God. Most christians are not really claiming that though, what they are claiming is that they know some information that God has sent to us. We can not claim to have all the answers to every question in the universe, but we have some important answers to some of the most important questions. > How come that all this Christian priests, are so controlling and money > hunters. all that they care is money, nice cars, and women.. Who pays > for them,, the Christian Faith,, Just because they Cry on t.v. and > hold a Bible in their hands.. We don't need people like that,, we are > smart enough to read the Bible and Understand it.. thanks to our > intelligence, intellect or our capability of thinking (whatever you > want to call it).. ` Well, just some questions of the 10000000 > questions that I have.. Money corrupts. This is true in Christianity as much as it is in politics, science, or any other human endeavor. Not only does money corrupt, but it attracts those who are corrupt. If a person believes that anyone can make a billion dollars a year by mouthing a certain set of words, and if that person very much wants to have a large amount of money, then it would not be surprising to see that person mouth the words in question (even if they do not believe those words at all) simply because they want the money. You can substitute "power" or "prestige" for money in the above. It depends on the person as to which of those is the most tempting. > Please,, if you are going to reply,, just do it but don't try to > convince me in to Christianity.. I have been around Christians,, My > best Friend is Christian, I socialize with Christians, and I am glad > that they have understand at last who am I, and what are my believes, > and finally they stopped pushing.. and I like it,, so don't try to > convince me ,, I have been in crusades, conferences, bible study, > sunday school, church,, and still Christianity does not ring the > bells,, > > I do Believe in God ,, I do respect him, I do pray to him, I am > thankful to him, I trust him with all my heart, I know he is with me > always, I know he is watching me always, and I believe he talks to me > through my conscience since when I do something that is not quite > applausible,, my conscience bothers me alot.. I will keep in the > search of a religion that conceives God in the way that he should be, > I would keep my search for people that respect him as he should be > respected, I will keep searching for people that loves him by heart no > just because their parents told them to.. I feel really comfortable > around christians because they are almost what I am looking for.. the > problem is the way that they view Jesus, I think is too much > admiration,, I think that God should get more attention.. and i think > he deserves more honest people. Most christians believe that Jesus is God. I do agree with your statements that God should get more attention (from christians), and that he deserves much more than christians give him (both in honesty and a number of other areas). > Because my theory is,, As far as you are good to youself, your > friends. your family, and the stranger, as far as you thank your Lord > God,(whatever Conception you have of him), as far as you have a clean > conscience, you are in good stand with god (please don't quote > this).."I mean don't take it literaly "Good stand with God" or God's > side",, I don't really know how to put it) I hope you get the > message)) These are all important things to do. The good news of the gospel is that you're not alone in trying to meet the standards that God expects of you. The things you list are a challange for anyone to *really* do, and the gospel is telling you that God wants you to succeed at that. The gospel claims that you are not alone trying to do everything right in order to please some remote and uncaring God, but the God in question is reaching out to help you make it. > No matter what church you belong to, no matter who you think God is, > as far as you are Good,, you are in Gods' side (again don't quote me) > > Who is to say good and bad.. you conscience is the best judge,, some > people can overcome it, but not truly.. > > well flame me if you want,, I just want to know and get more and more > knowledge about this... thanks.. The above are my opinions on the questions you asked. I do not claim to have all the right answers, but as long as you've asked those are the answers I firmly believe in. I hope they are of some help to your search for more knowledge. Your desire for more knowledge about God is probably more important that any of the answers you will get. I hope you stick with that desire. - - - - - - - - Garance Alistair Drosehn = gad@eclipse.its.rpi.edu