somethin@uunet.uu.net (06/23/91)
I came across this in another group. I have excluded the authors name so that you religion-zealots won't flame her via e-mail : ------------------------------------------------------- Anyone here remember the Albegensians? They were a nation on the northern coast of Africa which were exterminated by the Catholic Church in medieval times. The capper to the story is that, as the last Albagensian city lay under siege, the Catholic forces prepared to attack. The commander of the forces, one Domingo De Guzman(sp), was approached by a subordinate who reminded the commander that there were TRUE CATHOLIC BELIEVERS in the city. When the subordinate asked for some procedure to follow in dealing with them, Domingo replied,"Kill Everybody. Let God sort them out". Upon his death, Domingo De Guzman was canonized and became Saint Dominic. Make your contributions. But people DO forget, and history does repeat itself ( which is what is wrong with history). [There may be some problems with this. First, as far as I recall (and I'm at Rutgers, so I don't have any of my reference books at hand) the area was in France. The situation was far more complex (and in some ways worse) than simple religious zealotry. The politics between nothern and southern France had become involved, inflamed by greed. Second, the statement "Kill them all. God will know his own" is often regarded as apocryphal. However it does seem to represent what they did, which was certainly not what we expect of Christians... --clh]
jclark@sdcc6.ucsd.edu (John Clark) (06/25/91)
In article <Jun.22.21.41.11.1991.18322@athos.rutgers.edu> or.another!somethin@uunet.uu.net writes:
+I came across this in another group. I have excluded the authors name
+so that you religion-zealots won't flame her via e-mail :
+-------------------------------------------------------
+
+ Anyone here remember the Albegensians? They were a nation on the
+northern coast of Africa which were exterminated by the Catholic Church
Uh, Languedoc, what is now southwestern France. The group's title
was Cathars, a dualist philosophy of good vs. evil. For those who
feel that the question of 'if God is good, whence evil?' is new, then
you will be surpised to note that this is the 1100-1200 installment
of that perenial question of Christian Theology.
+attack. The commander of the forces, one Domingo De Guzman(sp), was
+approached by a subordinate who reminded the commander that there were
Dominic De Guzman was the founder of the Dominican order of friars.
The person reputed to have said the above was Abbot Arnald-Amaury
leader of the crusaders appointed by Innocent III(what a name). The
battle was for the town of Bezier in July 1209.
Where the Dominicans come into this is as the area was placed under
the control of papal allies, the Dominicans were placed in charge of
irradicating any remaing Cathars or sympathizers.
Reference:
David Roberts, "Heretics, inquisitors and a gory crusade", May 1991
Smithsonian.
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John Clark
jclark@ucsd.edu