lorrilee@yunccn.UUCP (Lorrilee McGregor) (08/29/89)
The Attikamek-Montagnais have joined in the growing campaign " to prevent Quebec from storing PCB's at a power-generating station near Prime Minister Brian Mulroney's home town of Baie Comeau." '"Our position is categoric - we will not accept them," Ghislain Picard, vice-president of the 11,000 member Attikamek-Montagnais band said yesterday. "The North Shore has been exploited over the past 50 years with its minerals and forests stripped away. Now they want to throw us back all the garbage and that's something we don't appreciate." ' "Nearly 2,000 Attikamek-Montagnais live on the Betsiamites reserve, about 60 kilometers (37 miles) from the proposed storage site for the St. Basile wastes. Picard said many Indians rely on land in the area for trapping, fishing and hunting." "The site is also "right in the middle" of land claimed by the band, said Picard, who has not ruled out enlisting the support of other native groups in Quebec."
evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) (09/03/89)
In article <2324@yunccn.UUCP> lorrilee@yunccn.UUCP (Lorrilee McGregor) writes: >The Attikamek-Montagnais have joined in the growing campaign " to >prevent Quebec from storing PCB's at a power-generating station near >Prime Minister Brian Mulroney's home town of Baie Comeau." >'"Our position is categoric - we will not accept them," Ghislain Picard, >vice-president of the 11,000 member Attikamek-Montagnais band said >yesterday. OK - who SHOULD accept them? The Welsh, who had nothing to do with their creation? Have a court order which would have a ship dump them in the ocean rather than unloading them back at their source? Maybe this is overly simplistic, but why isn't the company which used the PCBs soley responsible for their disposal? Perhaps if the companies which use hazardous materials had to factor in the cost of using (and disposing) such materials without leaning on the public purse, perhaps hazardous materials would just become too expensive to use. There should be not just moral, but financial reward to the companies which produce safer materials. In my eyes, private industry won't do much to help the environment until safer can be directly equated to cheaper in the eyes of producers and users. The obvious government knee-jerk reaction is to slap a tax on hazardous goods. I don't think this is needed - just make users of such materials *totally* responsible for their after-effects. -- Evan Leibovitch, SA, Telly Online, located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario evan@telly.on.ca / uunet!attcan!telly!evan / Director & editor, /usr/group/cdn If you'll be my Dixie chicken, I'll be your Tennesee lamb - Little Feat
cdshaw@alberta.uucp (Chris Shaw) (09/06/89)
In article x evan@telly.on.ca (Evan Leibovitch) writes: >In article x lorrilee@yunccn.UUCP (Lorrilee McGregor) writes: >>The Attikamek-Montagnais have joined in the growing campaign " to >>prevent Quebec from storing PCB's at a power-generating station near >>Prime Minister Brian Mulroney's home town of Baie Comeau." > >>'"Our position is categoric - we will not accept them," Ghislain Picard, >>vice-president of the 11,000 member Attikamek-Montagnais band said yesterday. > >OK - who SHOULD accept them? The Welsh, who had nothing to do with their >creation? You make it sound like the receivers at the British dock were going to distribute soupcans of PCB's door to door in Swansea. What bullshit. The Quebec government had a contract with a disposal plant in Wales to properly incinerate the PCB's. This is currently the best way to handle PCB-laden oil. Some dock workers with more fear than sense refused to unload the cargo, so it wended its way back to Baie Comeau. What's the best thing to do with them now that the PCB's are here? Incinerate them in a PCB disposal plant. Storing them is no good, neither is burying them, nor dumping at sea. I guess the question is, what difference does it make where the incineration takes place? If a facility exists to completely dispose of a certain class of waste, then it should be used for that purpose. The owners of the facility should be paid for this service, of course. It is a mistake to think that somehow hazardous waste disposal is impossibly dangerous, and should not be performed at all. There is a class of wastes that require special effort to clean up, and the people who produce such wastes should be required to use that service and pay its bills. The alternative is permanent storage, which is not acceptable. The punch line is that plants should be built that will handle all of the hazardous waste disposal needs of the world. Building large plants will mean that waste disposal is efficient, effective and inexpensive, which means that more people will use them instead of hiding wastes in some warehouse. A few large plants are better than many small plants because economies of scale will reduce overall disposal costs. This also means that transportation of wastes to these plants should not be hindered. Ignorant blockades of this nature simply costs money, just like throwing rocks through shop windows. On the other hand, waste transport should be regulated to maximize public safety. >Maybe this is overly simplistic, but why isn't the company which used the >PCBs soley responsible for their disposal? Perhaps if the companies >which use hazardous materials had to factor in the cost of using (and >disposing) such materials without leaning on the public purse, perhaps >hazardous materials would just become too expensive to use. This is the best course of action, although it need not necessarily be the case that hazardous wastes render the costs to be too high. I would reject utterly the notion that the company making the wastes should build its own little waste disposal plant. This is stupid, since the costs of building a small plant will be so high that no corporation would do it right, which would mean that we're no further ahead. >The obvious government knee-jerk reaction is to slap a tax on hazardous >goods. I don't think this is needed - just make users of such materials >*totally* responsible for their after-effects. I contend that paying for incineration at some plant, either here or in another country makes no difference as long as all costs are paid. Moreover, such a plan IS totally responsible disposal if the corporation who made the wastes pays the bill. > Evan Leibovitch, SA, Telly Online, located in beautiful Brampton, Ontario -- Chris Shaw cdshaw@alberta.UUCP University of Alberta CatchPhrase: Bogus as HELL !