[net.followup] Telecomm rates?

rfg@hound.UUCP (R.GRANTGES) (10/03/84)

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Anything is possible. I have no inside information and could not discuss 
it if I did. However, you are misinformed on a couple of factual points.
First, telephone central offices (plain or digital fancy) do not look
for or detect data signals on customer lines. It would be very expensive
to modify them to do so - even the new electronic and/or digital
variety.  If they did, you could always make voice calls and then switch
in the modem after a delay (which is in fact what you do now, except you
switch in the modem as fast as possible).
What the telcos probably want to do is introduce special data lines
(perhaps digital) as an improved service to their customers. Then they
might lobby to force data users to stop using pots lines (Plain Old
Telephone Service).
I forgot what the second point was, if any.
Dick Grantges  hound!rfg

paul@dual.UUCP (Baker) (10/05/84)

Central offices do not and do not need to know if a modem
is being used.  On the other hand Echo suppressors that are
used to prevent you hearing your own voice returned after a few
seconds on long lines, need to be disabled for a full-duplex 
Modem to work.  It does this by detecting the answer tone given
by the Modem.  Note that this is the same tone for all Bell
standard Modems.  Digital central offices  are in no better
position to interpret information passed through them.

There does seem to have been an interest in the past by phone
companies to try and charge Modem users more than voice users.  
So far none of them have been successful.

Paul Wilcox-Baker

steveg@hammer.UUCP (10/07/84)

There is a thing on most phone lines (particularly long distance
trunks) called an echo supressor.  Part of the 103/212/VA3400 modem
protocols is a magic tone to disable these beasties as they alter the
signal and echos aren't a big problem in full duplex modems anyway
(transmitting and receiving use different frequencies).

Steve Glaser (tektronix!steveg)