[comp.virus] EEPROM BIOS

AZX@NIHCU.BITNET (09/05/90)

The newest generation of motherboards now being designed for PCs will
be using EEPROM or other reprogrammable devices for the BIOS.  The
goal is to allow BIOS upgrades using floppy disks or even by
telephone.  Has anyone considered the potential virus-related risks
associated with this move?

Andrew R. Mitz

Motto: You ain't late 'til you get there.

CC65SRAD%MIAMIU.BITNET@OHSTVMA.IRCC.OHIO-STATE.EDU (09/12/90)

While I am sure more and more systems will be connected via phone
lines, the telephone will always be too expensive a quirky to trust
upgrading PC software to.  As for the floppy upgrades, since all the
upgrade disks would be produced by the manufacturer, quality control
of viruses should be possible.  Any problem would have to be an inside
job.  Also, I am sure that some security measures would be built in to
the BIOS itself, since it would be possible for someone to load the
wrong BIOS disk into a machine and erase the existing BIOS, replacing
it with an incompatible BIOS.  Also, AMI would hate for people to be
switching to Phoenix via a floppy.  These security measures, while
probably not extremely complex, would make a viruses code so large
that it could not be inconspicuous (in my opinion...I am NOT an expert
by any stretch of the imagination) and would be caught quickly.  It is
an interesting idea...especially with machines like the Tandy (also
makes Panasonic, DEC pc's, GRID) and others placing DOS and other
usually attackable programs in EEPROMs.

- -Chris

gary@uunet.UU.NET (Gary Heston) (09/17/90)

I might point out that all systems using shadow ram can effectively
update their BIOS upon boot-up, by simply overwriting the shadowed
code. If the shadow areas are not write protected, any virus could
infect them. The images on disc would be subject to corruption,
although possibly not infection (being a BIOS image, it'd probably not
have a .COM or .EXE extention, so a virus probably wouldn't recognize
it as infectable). EEPROM might be a little safer, but not much.

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