salzman%gaucho@RAND.ORG (Isaac Salzman) (11/16/89)
Reading MH trees with Messages: I've tried this out. seems to work ok. you can read an MH tree so long as you reconstruct the folder. what i've done is create a .MESSAGES directory and sym-linked the folders from my .Mail (MH) directory into .MESSAGES. some of my MH folders have "." in the name, which I just assume won't work with AMS (since it treats folders with "." as a subfolder). then I create an empty .MS_MsgDir, add the folder to .SubscriptionMap and do a reconstruct from cui. works like a charm (for the most part). now, it will either sort by time created or the time stamp of the message (the date field). that's great, but in MH messages are sorted numerically by the file name (i.e. the message number). would it be difficult to add that as an option to cui reconstruct if .amsalien exists? (i suppose i could just look at the source code to find out, eh?). also, trying to modify anything in a MH tree with messages will probably break something. i haven't tried this (don't want to trash my mail), but what happens if you "check new mail" into an MH tree? i think the thing to do there would be to run MH's "inc" and then cui reconstruct. i'll experiment with this and post a shell script or something (if anyone's interested).... Andrew under X11/NeWS (aka xnews): i've tried this and it kindof works. it's a matter of getting the fonts installed under xnews, which is a bit of a hassle. by "kindof" i mean that andrew app's will run, but the font's are wrong. it gets italic fonts where they should be normal fonts, and tiny ones where it should get larger bold fonts. not and andrew problem - i don't think. what i'm curious about is, how to explicitly set the fonts for a program, or for all atk app's in general. there's a "FontFamily" setting in preferences, but that's it. a lot of the Andrew fonts are already part of the X11R3 distribution (and R4 i assume). mostly the adobe fonts. is there need to install redudant fonts? how about using what's already there and just installing stuff that isn't already there. i think the problem with xnews is some name conflict of sorts with fonts that already exist under xnews (and MIT X11 for that matter).... anyone else experimented with Andrew under xnews? * Isaac J. Salzman ---- * The RAND Corporation - Information Sciences Dept. /o o/ / * 1700 Main St., PO Box 2138, Santa Monica, CA 90406-2138 | v | | * AT&T : +1 213-393-0411 x6421 or x7923 (ISL lab) _| |_/ * Internet : salzman@rand.org / | | * UUCP : !uunet!rand.org!salzman | | | * CompuServe: 76167,1046
nsb@THUMPER.BELLCORE.COM (Nathaniel Borenstein) (11/16/89)
I've also been talking with Bill Cattey, of MIT, about MH/AMS interoperability. We've concluded that the .amsalien stuff is 90% of the way to a solution, and that a small amount of code should bring it to 100%. In particular, the only places where AMS still acts destructively on the MH naming scheme is in MS_CloneMessage and in the routines that read things out of mailboxes. I think Bill is thinking about trying to make these changes, so you might want to coordinate with him. By the way, after the first time, you shouldn't need to use "reconstruct" -- the new CUI "scavenge" command was designed specifically for this purpose. It basically updates an existing .MS_MsgDir file rather than rewriting it completely. It should be a lot faster than a reconstruction, in general. Bill Cattey seems to be having some problems with it, but it should basically work. You should also note that the .amsalien feature should also allow AMS to read standard netnews databases. Bill and I both have plans to test that out in the not-too-distant future. -- Nathaniel
ghoti+@ANDREW.CMU.EDU (Adam Stoller) (11/16/89)
Excerpts from internet.info-andrew: 15-Nov-89 Messages and MH & Andrew un.. Isaac Salzman@rand.org (2688+0) > what i'm curious about is, how to explicitly set the fonts for a > program, or for all atk app's in general. there's a "FontFamily" setting > in preferences, but that's it. Actually ATK applications (I believe *all* ATK applications) should respond to a preference of the form: <application-name>.bodyfont: <fontname> i.e.: typescript.bodyfont: andytype10f If you find that most, or all of the bodyfonts you want are the same - you can simplify it with: *.bodyfont: <fontname> (where '*' is litterally an asterisk) This sets a "default" bodyfont, and you can override it on whatever applications you want to by using the first method. --fish
salzman%gaucho@RAND.ORG (Isaac Salzman) (11/18/89)
> Excerpts from info-andrew: 16-Nov-89 Re: Messages and MH & Andre.. (1066) > I've also been talking with Bill Cattey, of MIT, about MH/AMS interoperability. ..... > I think Bill is thinking about trying to make these changes, so you > might want to coordinate with him. sounds good! (hey Bill, drop me a message!). > By the way, after the first time, you shouldn't need to use > "reconstruct" -- the new CUI "scavenge" command was designed > specifically for this purpose. > It basically updates an existing .MS_MsgDir file rather than rewriting > it completely. It should be a lot faster than a reconstruction, in > general. Bill Cattey seems to be having some problems with it, but it > should basically work. yeah, i've messed with this a little. the doc said to use scavenge, but that didn't cut it (since i was running it for the first time). reconstruct didn't work right off either w/o .MS_MsgDir existing in the first place. i did try scavenge on an already built folder but it still had problems. i had to do a reconstruct again to get it to work right. could be pilot error, don't know. it seemed to work ok for some folders, not others. wierd. but hey, bugs and all - i'm happy this works at all!!! thanks! -Isaac (salzman@rand.org)
nsb@THUMPER.BELLCORE.COM (Nathaniel Borenstein) (11/18/89)
Hmm... Bill also had trouble with "scavenge", but neither of you have provided any details. If you could tell exactly what happens when you try scavenge, we might be able to fix the bug. Scavenge should be MUCH cheaper than reconstruction. -- NB