[comp.soft-sys.andrew] -iconic option

timfair@rchland.iinus1.ibm.com (Tim Fairclough) (01/29/91)

Why don't ATK applications support the -iconic command line option? When
I tried to execute a command with that option my typescript showed the
following.

sendmessage -iconic &

[1] 375
~> Starting messages (Version 7.14, ATK 15.5); please wait...
Illegal option: '-iconic'--ignored

This option is one that is listed in the X Toolkit Intrinsics
Programming manual as a standard command line option.

						Thanks Tim
				 TIMFAIR@RCHLAND.IINUS1.IBM.COM

janssen@parc.xerox.com (Bill Janssen) (01/29/91)

Excerpts from ext.andrew: 28-Jan-91 -iconic option Tim
Fairclough@rchland.i (456)

> This option is one that is listed in the X Toolkit Intrinsics
> Programming manual as a standard command line option.

Andrew is not an X Toolkit Intrinsics-based toolkit.  One of the more
useful things about it, from my perspective, is that it does not expose
X overly much.

Bill

bernerus@CS.CHALMERS.SE (Christer Bernerus) (01/29/91)

Excerpts from info-andrew: 28-Jan-91 Re: -iconic option Bill
Janssen@parc.xerox. (365+0)

> Excerpts from ext.andrew: 28-Jan-91 -iconic option Tim
> Fairclough@rchland.i (456)

>> This option is one that is listed in the X Toolkit Intrinsics
>> Programming manual as a standard command line option.

> Andrew is not an X Toolkit Intrinsics-based toolkit.

When discussing useful features -- who cares about what toolkit an
application is built upon ? 
I've been missing the possibility of starting e.g. help into an icon
when I log on. I don't give a damn what you would call such a flag, but
> one suggestion is -iconic.

>   One of the more useful things about it, from my perspective, is that
> it does not expose X overly much.

One of those useful things is of course the inability to cut/paste
> between X and Andrew applications without playing special tricks ?? :-(


	Chris.




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guy@auspex.auspex.com (Guy Harris) (01/31/91)

>>   One of the more useful things about it, from my perspective, is that
>> it does not expose X overly much.

Is that a case of "it doesn't require me to do X-specific stuff", or "it
doesn't *permit* me to do X-specific stuff"?

There's no way to do some things in Andrew that can be done in X *and*
in some other window systems atop which it might be placed (you can't
ring the display station's bell, you can't say "please map the 'left
arrow' key into the following procedure" - yes, you can bind something
to the H19 escape sequence that emerges from the "im" layer, but I don't
know of any way offhand to, say, make a VTXXX-emulating "tm", 'cuz the
arrow keys get translated to H19 escape sequences at a fairly low level
- etc.).

>One of those useful things is of course the inability to cut/paste
>> between X and Andrew applications without playing special tricks ?? :-(

What sort of problems have you seen?  There was a bug in the handling of
large cuts&pastes due to not handling the ICCCM INCR property stuff
correctly, but that got fixed in PL9; when I was doing the fix, I
managed to do cuts and pastes between "ez", "textedit" (yes, that *is*
an X application, now), and "xedit" - I did have to cook up some
translations for "xedit", in order to get it to use the clipboard, but
that was more of a problem for XView applications such as "textedit"
rather than for Andrew.