[comp.realtime] Questions about Mizar, Gespac, and VxWorks

unhd (Roger Gonzalez ) (07/03/90)

Does anyone have experience developing in VxWorks on one of the Mizar/Sun
integrated systems?  I've been reading the glossies that they sent me, and
it looks too good to be true.  I'm mainly interested in the 3U format
cards.

I have some questions, though.  Wind River quotes $80,000 for a source
license, but much less for a "1 year" source license.  What is a 1 year
source license?  What does it prohibit after the 1 year?  Does the code
self-destruct ala Mission Impossible? :-)  We are a non-profit lab
associated with UNH, and I'm hoping that we would get an educational
discount, but even a discounted $80K is too much.

Are there problems with using foreign boards in the Mizar system?  Our
existing system (Ironics P/32 - don't buy one) complains bitterly when
some foreign boards are in the bus.

How difficult is it to get support from Mizar when there is a problem?
Right now, when we call our vendor, there is a lot of finger pointing
between the hardware and software people, and then it usually comes down
to "oh, well if you pay $1200 for this hardware patch, it should fix
the problem."  We want to avoid this.

What are peoples feelings on Gespac?  Is VxWorks available for it, or
are you stuck with OS-9 (as one of my coworkers put so eloquently, the
operating system used in the TRS-80 color computer :-)  I'm a Unix
programmer, so the Mizar solution looked much better to me than having
an OS-9 development environment.

Does anybody know how much of a power pig one of the target Mizar systems
would be?  Our 6U cards suck an amp into the bus terminators alone!  We
will have to drive the thing off batteries, so this is an important issue.

Thanks for your time,
Roger Gonzalez

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mo@messy.bellcore.com (Michael O'Dell) (07/04/90)

Back when there was a Prisma, we check-out lots of stuff for the service
processor in the machine and VxWorks won by a landslide.  Familiar
programming interfaces, good network support, great cross-machine support
with across-the-network debugging from a Sun workstation, etc, etc, etc.
VxWorks just comes across as something built by people who wanted to
get something done in a systems sense, not just build a little kernel
for multiprogramming.  The VxWorks/Heurikon 68030 development crates we
bought from Heurikon worked as advertised and all the software did likewise.

We did NOT buy the 80K source license, but got some of the stuff for
retargetting, etc.  We actually didn't WANT to hack the source - 
a real requirement was that we didn't want to own the base software in
the service processor and not having source encourages that.  Seemed
like a fine decision even in retrospect.

So, good hunting - hope your project works!!!

	-Mike O'Dell
	 Ex-Prisma Chief Computer Scientist


All comments are based on experiences at Prisma and have nothing
to do with Bellcore.  The opinions expressed are solely my own.