[net.auto] Citroens, Bridgestones and Muscle Cars

mickey (04/17/83)

I might as well get my comments in on a bunch of different topics....

1. Citroens...I stand corrected. The reason that the Citroen is no longer
sold in the US is much more complicated than I made it out to be. One
factor was that the manufacturer did not want to produce an engine that
would have to be modified to meet future federal emmisions guidelines. But
there were two more immediate reasons. One, because of the variable height
suspension, the car could not meet the 5 MPH bumper test. Second, the 
market was not significant enough to warrant any major expense to make it
meet our Government standards (too bad!).

2. Bridgestone tires...I second the motion to avoid them. The top of line
tires that Lee Trovino pushes may be worthwhile, but the tires that come
on all Hondas and some Toyotas are definitly average at best. My original
equipment tires on my Honda don't give me much feel in turns with only
32,000 on them. My next purchase is to get something better! If you are
driving a car that takes small tires (145, 155 SR 13's) the pickings are
not great, but you're better off with something like Michelins or Klebers
or even Kelly or Goodyear or Goodrich domestic tires designed for imports.

3. Muscle Cars...How about a seperate sub group for you folks? I thought
muscle cars were the cat's meow when I was back in high school, but
a MGTD, '62 Midget and a '64 XKE convinced me that going fast in a straight
line is NOT what driving is all about. I'm am much more impressed with
today's "muscle cars" than I ever was with those old heaps. At least we
now get 3.0 to 5.0 liter engines with aerodynamic bodies and some concern
for turning a corner at the end of the straightaway. For those of you who
are not sports car buffs from the 50's and 60's, go back and look at the
stats for Jags, Porsches, BMWs, Volvos and even the earliest Japanese cars
like the Datsun 1600. These were the cars that were winning any race that
had a turn in it (other than oval track racing). Besides, when one of
you come up next to me in your Firebird or GTO, I know my Civic is not
going to beat you off the line, but I laugh all the way past the gas pump
knowing I'm getting 30+ mpg and your getting 10.

					Mickey Levine
					decvax!cca!mickey

rs55611 (04/20/83)

I'd like to take some mild exception to the statement
that the road races in the 50's and 60's were all being won
by Jags, Porsches, etc.  A look at the SCCA championship results
for the late 50's and 60's shows that Corvettes were perreniel
winners in C-prod. (1956, 265 in. engine), B-prod. (1957-1960, all
with the 283, 3 different drivers as champs), and B-prod., again
(1962-1965, with 327).  Oops, I forgot 1961, which was also a
winning year.  There were also many A and B-prod. winners in thhe
70's, too.  In the late 50's and early 60's, the Vette's big 
competition was the Mercedes 300SL, which was often as
fast, if not faster, but just not as common on the track.  The
Jag XK-140's and -150's of the era were usually blown off by
both the Vettes and the Benz's.  I've got a great old photo
of a '57 Vette being pursued around a corner at Riverside
by two 300SL Gullwings.  Of course, you had to get the right
factory options from GM to be competitive, but that's only fair,
isn't it?
Oh well, just trying to add some fuel to the discussion.

Bob Schleicher
ihuxk!rs55611