tpowell@zoot.pa.dec.com (Timothy Powell) (04/25/91)
Greetings,
Can anyone give me a bit more information about the ``Embedded Systems
Programming'' magazine I seen mentioned in this group? Apologies if
this is a FAQ, but a search through all the old articles still alive on
my news server didn't turn up anything and none of the libraries/technical
bookstores near me seem to carry this magazine.
thank you,
!pow
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Tim Powell {tpowell@decwrl.dec.com} ..decwrl!tpowell
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RISC Workstation Systems Engineering - Firmwarejwoehr@isis.cs.du.edu (Jack J. Woehr) (04/25/91)
In article <TPOWELL.91Apr24143533@zoot.pa.dec.com> tpowell@zoot.pa.dec.com (Timothy Powell) writes: > >Greetings, > >Can anyone give me a bit more information about the ``Embedded Systems >Programming'' magazine I seen mentioned in this group? Apologies if >this is a FAQ, but a search through all the old articl Sure ... Embedded Systems Programming Magazine, (a Miller-Freeman Publication) 600 Howard St. San Francisco, CA 94107 (415) 905-2200 It's $45 for 12 issues, but it's controlled distrib, so if they have a subscription slot open and you qualify via questionnaire, it comes free to your desk. Articles emphasizing software issues in embedded control. Editor: Tyler Sperry (formerly of DDJ) Contributing editors: Bruce Bergman Jack Ganssle Larry Mittag Rick Naro P.J. Plauger Jack Woehr (yours truly!) -- # ..!apple!dunike!nyx!koscej!jax # "Therefore, the L-RD G-d # # ..!hplabs!hp-lsd!oldcolo!jax # sent him FORTH ..." # # {apple,hplabs,pacbell,ucb}!well!jax # - Genesis 3:23 # # JAX on GEnie SYSOP RCFB 303-278-0364 # Member ANS Forth X3J14 TC #
csg@pyramid.pyramid.com (Carl S. Gutekunst) (05/03/91)
In article <1991Apr24.223110.19836@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> jwoehr@isis.UUCP (Jack J. Woehr) writes: > It's $45 for 12 issues, but it's controlled distrib, so if they >have a subscription slot open and you qualify via questionnaire, it comes >free to your desk. I got the introductory issue for free, from which I concluded the magazine was worth the trouble to apply for but not worth $45/year. I filled out and mailed in their questionnaire twice, but haven't heard a peep. Since I've been doing nothing but designing and buying imbedded systems for the past four years (dedicated communications frontends), I'm not exactly sure what criterea they are using. <csg>
barryn@world.std.com (barry n nelson) (05/07/91)
Be patient. I also filled out the questionnaire for a free
subscription, and I waited for 6 months before the first magazine
arrived. While I was waiting, I received 3 letters inviting me to
apply for a free subscription. :-)
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Barry N. Nelson barryn@world.std.com or {xylogics,uunet}!world!barrynknight@csli.Stanford.EDU (Bob Knight) (05/08/91)
In article <154140@pyramid.pyramid.com> csg@pyramid.pyramid.com (Carl S. Gutekunst) writes: >mailed in their questionnaire twice, but haven't heard a peep. Since I've >been doing nothing but designing and buying imbedded systems for the past >four years (dedicated communications frontends), I'm not exactly sure what >criterea they are using. > ><csg> Hear, hear! I had a paid subscription before they went to controlled distrib- ution, and filled out a card. Got dropped. Called their circulation manager, who said, basically, that I qualified. Got another card. No response. I've been doing embedded systems work for over seven years now. I don't know what their criteria are either, but it ain't worth the trouble to figure them out! ESJ, are you listening? Bob
bruceb@telesoft.com (Bruce Bergman @nova) (05/10/91)
In article <19104@csli>, knight@csli.Stanford.EDU (Bob Knight) writes: > In article <154140@pyramid> csg@pyramid.pyramid.com (Carl Gutekunst) writes: > > > >mailed in their questionnaire twice, but haven't heard a peep. Since I've > >been doing nothing but designing and buying imbedded systems for the past > >four years (dedicated communications frontends), I'm not exactly sure what > >criterea they are using. > > Hear, hear! I had a paid subscription before they went to controlled distrib- > ution, and filled out a card. Got dropped. Called their circulation manager, > who said, basically, that I qualified. Got another card. No response. I've > been doing embedded systems work for over seven years now. I don't know what > their criteria are either, but it ain't worth the trouble to figure them out! > > ESJ, are you listening? Yep, we're listening, I promise! I know there are folks out there who are frustrated by this, and I don't have any good answers, except that perhaps you should try again. When we went to a controlled circulation, it was with the express purpose of increasing the readership numbers. We did that. Readership is about 50k now, and a goodly portion of that is controlled, while another, smaller portion is paid. During the transition to controlled, we were completely inundated with the number of requests for subscriptions. As a result, there were a number of (oh, let's just say it) "screw-ups" in the circulation department. Folks got dropped who had valid reasons for receiving the mag, etc. Even some people that *I* work with and *know* should qualify got refused. Which, btw, is quite embarrassing... As an aside, the circulation department went through some changes and there shouldn't be the same "screw-ups" that were found before. I would venture to guess things are much better now. Anyhow, I know our publisher, Ted Bahr, is quite interested in seeing that people are happy with the mag and their subscriptions, whether controlled or paid. I'd start with either sending in another card or calling the circulation folks and explaining it once again. Yes, I know, its not a fun prospect to try and fight with circulation folks. But I also know the quality of the magazine and our sincere interest in addressing the needs of the reader, not just the advertiser (like the other embedded systems journals). So I think it's worth the effort to talk to them. And I'll make this offer: if you don't get satisfaction from talking with them one more time, drop me a note at the email address below (or on CompuServe, but I'm more accessible on uucp/internet) and I'll see what I can do to straighten things out for you. I don't wield a shining sword or anything, but perhaps they'll listen to one of their columnists. ;^) On a more personal note, I'd love to hear from anyone out there in this newsgroup about how they thing we're doing. I've been following this group since its conception and know that the folks who read and post are as good a judge of realtime as anyone, so your opinion is valuable to me. If there is something you'd like to see us cover that we haven't, please speak up. If there's something you think we're overdoing, please say so. If there's something you'd like to contribute, call me! :-) Thanks, bruce -- Bruce A. Bergman, N7HAW UUCP: bruceb@telesoft.com TeleSoft CIS: 70431,3167 5959 Cornerstone Court West San Diego, CA. 92121-9891 All opinions expressed herein are my own. (619) 457-2700 x123 Have you hugged your horse lately?
mcculley@alien.enet.dec.com (05/10/91)
In article <1252@telesoft.com>, bruceb@telesoft.com (Bruce Bergman @nova) writes... >In article <19104@csli>, knight@csli.Stanford.EDU (Bob Knight) writes: >> In article <154140@pyramid> csg@pyramid.pyramid.com (Carl Gutekunst) writes: >> > >> >mailed in their questionnaire twice, but haven't heard a peep. Since I've >> Hear, hear! I had a paid subscription before they went to controlled distrib- >> ution, and filled out a card. Got dropped. Called their circulation manager, >> who said, basically, that I qualified. Got another card. No response. [...] >> ESJ, are you listening? >Yep, we're listening, I promise! Here's a different kind of story: I filled out the card and mailed it back, just a matter of weeks ago. Today the first issue arrived in my mailbox. Much quicker than I would've expected, even without the expectation setting from reading comments in this group. >On a more personal note, I'd love to hear from anyone out there in this >newsgroup about how they thing we're doing. I've been following this group >since its conception and know that the folks who read and post are as good >a judge of realtime as anyone, so your opinion is valuable to me. If there >is something you'd like to see us cover that we haven't, please speak up. If >there's something you think we're overdoing, please say so. If there's >something you'd like to contribute, call me! :-) I can't really comment yet. I just got the first issue on my own subscription, and I've only infrequently browsed the ones in the corporate library in the past. I will say that my past impression has been that the quality of material has been uneven, sometimes it seemed a little thin, but that may represent my erratic sampling or just the state of the art in the field. At a quick glance the issue that showed up today looks much better than some of what I recall from the past. - Bruce McCulley Digital Equipment Corporation Central Software Engineering
gaulandm@tekig7.MAP.TEK.COM (Mike Gauland) (05/11/91)
bruceb@telesoft.com (Bruce Bergman @nova) writes: >On a more personal note, I'd love to hear from anyone out there in this >newsgroup about how they thing we're doing. I've been following this group >since its conception and know that the folks who read and post are as good >a judge of realtime as anyone, so your opinion is valuable to me. If there >is something you'd like to see us cover that we haven't, please speak up. If >there's something you think we're overdoing, please say so. If there's >something you'd like to contribute, call me! :-) I've been getting ESP for quite some time now, and overall I'm pleased with it. Some of the articles have been of dubious value, such as those which explain how to replace a $.25 part with software. My biggest complaint, however, is the modern-art graphics littering the magazine. Are these abstract blobs supposed to benefit us somehow? I'd rather see ads--at least I may learn something from them. How about filling the space with a data sheet, for an article about a chip, or maybe a state diagram, or flowchart, or some INFORMATION. Excuse the shouting, but I've seen too many articles I had to read twice to understand, when a simple graphic would have made things much simpler to grasp. Thanks for letting me get that out of my system. I feel much better now. --Mike -- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Michael Gauland KG7OS || "No man's life, liberty, or property is safe, (503) 627-5067 || while the legislature is in session." gaulandm@tekig7.map.tek.com ||--unattributed; can't find the source.
dwells@fits.cx.nrao.edu (Don Wells) (05/11/91)
In article <1252@telesoft.com> bruceb@telesoft.com (Bruce Bergman @nova) writes: ... On a more personal note, I'd love to hear from anyone out there in this newsgroup about how they thing we're doing. ... is something you'd like to see us cover that we haven't, please speak up... I paid for my ESP subscription with personal funds when the magazine first started, and I have continued the subscription, so you know that I basically approve of it. However, I do have a criticism. ESP concentrates almost exclusively on "embedded" systems, not "realtime" systems in general. Even in the context of embedded systems, ESP concentrates almost exclusively on isolated, standalone systems. I.e., the words "network" and "distributed" almost never appear in ESP. This omission misrepresents the state-of-the-art. The RT systems which NRAO has constructed in recent years all utilize network services heavily, and level of network support was a critical factor in our selection of which RT OS to procure. Only in some of the advertisements in ESP do you see a hint of these facts... -- Donald C. Wells Associate Scientist dwells@nrao.edu National Radio Astronomy Observatory +1-804-296-0277 Edgemont Road Fax= +1-804-296-0278 Charlottesville, Virginia 22903-2475 USA 78:31.1W, 38:02.2N
killops@apd.mentorg.com (Scott Killops @ CASE x2856) (05/31/91)
In article <1252@telesoft.com> bruceb@telesoft.com (Bruce Bergman @nova) writes: >In article <19104@csli>, knight@csli.Stanford.EDU (Bob Knight) writes: >> In article <154140@pyramid> csg@pyramid.pyramid.com (Carl Gutekunst) writes: >> > >> >mailed in their questionnaire twice, but haven't heard a peep. Since I've >> >been doing nothing but designing and buying imbedded systems for the past >> >four years (dedicated communications frontends), I'm not exactly sure what >> >criterea they are using. >> >> Hear, hear! I had a paid subscription before they went to controlled distrib- >> ution, and filled out a card. Got dropped. Called their circulation manager, >> who said, basically, that I qualified. Got another card. No response. I've >> been doing embedded systems work for over seven years now. I don't know what >> their criteria are either, but it ain't worth the trouble to figure them out! >> >> ESJ, are you listening? > >Yep, we're listening, I promise! > >I know there are folks out there who are frustrated by this, and I don't have >any good answers, except that perhaps you should try again. When we went to >a controlled circulation, it was with the express purpose of increasing the >readership numbers. We did that. Readership is about 50k now, and a goodly >portion of that is controlled, while another, smaller portion is paid. > >During the transition to controlled, we were completely inundated with the >number of requests for subscriptions. As a result, there were a number of >(oh, let's just say it) "screw-ups" in the circulation department. Folks got >dropped who had valid reasons for receiving the mag, etc. Yeah, like me. I got dropped with about a third of my PAID subscription left. After hassling for a while and being told to just send in a card for a new free sub, I finally got too involved with my busy project and too pissed off and just gave up on em. (Should have hassled em more, but the marketing types in my group all got qualified, so I just read their copies.) Scott Killops killops@mentorg.com