[net.auto] Michelin vs Phoenix?

band@hao.UUCP (06/24/83)

	I am in the market for a new set of tires for my Rabbit and I
	am trying to decide between Michelin XZX and Phoenix 3011 (in
	size 175-70/13).  Yes I know that in terms of stick to the road
	performance the Phoenix is the better tire, is only a little
	more expensive, and I am told lasts almost as long* (as I'm not
	a street racer).
	
	What I want to know is how well do Phoenix 3011's do on ice and
	snow?  What is the trade off between summer and winter performance?
	For example, I used to have a set of Simpert M401's which were
	fine on dry roads but not so good in rain, snow, or ice. (Well
	I'm nice: they were terrible.)  I know studded snow tires are much
	better than either for that, but I don't want to go that route ($$$!).
	In my opinion the my Michelins do as nicely as I could expect on ice.
	Does anyone have any opinions (preferrably based on experience)?

	Thanks in advance,

			Peter Bandurian
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	* Actually, I am told that nothing lasts very long on a Rabbit (tires
	that is :-).  I got about 26k miles out of my last set of 155/13
	Michelins which is apparently typical.

jrf@hp-pcd.UUCP (06/25/83)

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hp-pcd!jrf    Jun 24 09:22:00 1983



The Phoenix 3011 has mediocre wet weather breaking.


jrf

louisp@tekcad.UUCP (06/27/83)

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tekcad!louisp    Jun 27 08:42:00 1983

   I would lead you to an article in Feb 1982 R&T where 13 high-performance
tires were evaluated in all aspects of performance. By the way, the Phoenix
was one of the best wet weather performers (braking and skidpad).

-- 
				Louis Pengue

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louisp@tekcad.UUCP (06/28/83)

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tekcad!louisp    Jun 27 08:42:00 1983

   I would lead you to an article in Feb 1982 R&T where 13 high-performance
tires were evaluated in all aspects of performance. By the way, the Phoenix
was one of the best wet weather performers (braking and skidpad).