[net.auto] '84 Corvette Nitpicking Review

kiessig@fortune.UUCP (07/26/83)

	Here's the letter.  I'm interested in feedback.  BTW, a fact
not quoted here is my insurance rates.  I'm paying about $1350/yr.,
for $1000 deductible, through Royal Globe.  Pretty outrageous.


     Corvette Project Manager
     General Motors Corporation
     30007 Van Dyke
     Warren, Mich. 48090


     Dear Sirs,

          My first three months of owning a  1984  Corvette  have
     been  both  interesting  and  educational.  I'm writing this
     letter to let you in on some of the things I've come across.

          I purchased the car on May 5, 1983, and  picked  it  up
     from  the  dealer  the  day  after it arrived via train.  My
     dealer is Key Chevrolet (20955 Stevens Creek  Blvd.,  Cuper-
     tino, CA 95014, 408-253-4000).  Before I picked it up, I was
     told the car was going through "standard preparation", which
     included  things  like checking fluid levels, alignments and
     doing a general cleaning.

          After I picked up the car, I noticed some oil marks  on
     the  dash, and what looked like thin strands of nylon (prob-
     ably from the carpet) spread on top  of  the  dash  (I  have
     since cleaned them away several times, and they seem to have
     stopped coming back).  The car was in pretty good shape oth-
     erwise, and I left the dealer feeling very good.

          I drive about a hundred  miles  every  day.   And  I've
     driven  a fair number of different kinds of sport cars.  The
     new Corvette is my all-time favorite car to drive.  It  han-
     dles fantastically, has great pick-up, and it's comfortable!
     I also love the displays on the dash, and the Bose stereo is
     really nice.

          In the interest of  moving  towards  perfection  (espe-
     cially  since I intend to purchase another one of these cars
     in a couple of years), I have a few comments.   Some  of  my
     suggestions don't fit in with the "Less than $20,000" sports
     car idea.  However, the trend  seems  to  be  in  the  other
     direction,  anyway.  My car listed for about $25,000, and my
     dealer ended up  charging  me  $30,500.   Some  of  the  new
     features  I'm  suggesting  would make $30,000 seem much more
     reasonable.

     _1.  _S_e_a_t_s _a_n_d _S_e_a_t _B_e_l_t_s

          I have the leather seat option.  Since I spend a lot of
     time  in  the car, I notice that not having a lumbar support
     for my back is a problem.  I know this is available  on  the
     "Sport  Seats",  but  from what I've seen most cars are pre-



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     ordered with the leather ones.

          I've also noticed  a  potential  safety  problem.   I'm
     about  73 inches tall, and I have to adjust the seat all the
     way back, all the  way  down,  and  with  the  front  tilted
     slightly upward.  In that configuration, my head can hit the
     roll bar if I stop too quickly.  In a  rear  end  collision,
     such  an  incident  could be fatal.  Perhaps some padding on
     the roll bar, or (even better),  allowing  the  seat  to  be
     adjusted further downward should cure the problem.

          Most passengers who have ridden in the right hand  seat
     have also complained about not being able to adjust the seat
     up and down, and they also miss having a lumbar support.

          I like the "cinch"  feature  on  the  lap  belts.   The
     shoulder belts could use something similar - their "feature"
     of ending up loose most of the time (any reach forward -  to
     the radio, for example will loosen them) isn't real nice.

     _2.  _R_e_a_r _W_i_n_d_o_w & _M_i_r_r_o_r

          The optical clearity of the rear window  is  very  bad.
     Cars  seen  through  the  rear view mirror are distorted and
     distant ones are sometimes almost invisible.

          The rear  view  mirror's  mounting  is  also  not  very
     stable.   On all but the smoothest highways it jiggles, mak-
     ing all but rough vehicle location assessment possible.  The
     side mirrors have to be used if any real details are needed.

     _3.  _S_i_d_e _M_i_r_r_o_r_s

          Both of the side mirrors  get  out  of  adjustment  too
     easily  when  I  close the doors.  If the windows are rolled
     down, it's not quite so bad because the doors can be  closed
     more softly.

          I've also noticed that the side  mirrors  scratch  very
     easily.

     _4.  _R_i_g_h_t-_h_a_n_d _D_a_s_h

          Nearly every passenger who sits in the car  asks  about
     the  big  black rubbery pad on the right side.  I don't know
     what it is, and it's not explained in the owners manual.  My
     best  guess  is  that it's some sort of pad to guard against
     head collision with the dash.  My passengers all  wear  seat
     belts  anyway.  I think I would have preferred a small glove
     box, if that is indeed the function of this thing.







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     _5.  _D_r_i_v_e_r'_s _D_a_s_h

          The bar speedometer does not seem to be related to  the
     digital  one on a one-for-one basis.  Sometimes it shows big
     changes when the digital shows only one or two MPH declines.
     It's  also a little hard to read at a glance.  What I really
     want it for is to guage how fast I'm speeding up or  slowing
     down.   Perhaps  lighting  the digits as the bar passes them
     would highten that effect.  I also don't see any reason  why
     the  scan  rate  for  the  digital  speedometer shouldn't be
     higher.  I have come to a complete stop and had the  digital
     speedometer  read 6 MPH.  It takes several seconds for it to
     come down to 0.

          The range indicator should always show a  monotonically
     decreasing number.  What seems to in fact happen is that the
     range is based soley on the accuracy of the fuel guage, plus
     the  latest average MPG.  I suggest that the numbers be bal-
     anced a little based on the number of miles actually  driven
     (i.e.  if  I drive a mile, the range should drop by a mile).
     When large differences are noticed  between  the  amount  of
     fuel  actually  remaining  and  the  corresponding range, an
     adjustment could be made when the instant MPG drops signifi-
     cantly  below the average.  The range should only go UP when
     a large change is noticed in fuel level,  or  possibly  when
     the "reset" button is pressed for the MPG guage.

          With all of the digital-ness of the  console,  I  would
     have  expected  a  more  accurate  fuel  guage.   I  am most
     interested in how much gas I have left at the  very  end  of
     the  tank.   I  want to know if I can make it home on what I
     have, or whether I'm going to have to stop and fill up.  The
     difference  might be only a quart or less.  Perhaps the fuel
     guage could change color and expand to show the  last  three
     gallons or so.

          I have also noticed that the "Miles since  on  reserve"
     is  not  always  remembered after I turn the engine off.  It
     should be.

     _6.  _O_w_n_e_r_s _M_a_n_u_a_l

          I was very dissappointed when I read through the owners
     manual.  It looked like a boiler-plate for some other GM car
     with a few raw facts about the Corvette thrown in.   Several
     important  things  are lacking.  In particular, the informa-
     tion displayed by the digital guages  on  the  dash  is  not
     nearly as useful as it could be, simply because I don't know
     exactly  how  the  numbers  and  displays  are  arrived  at.
     Answers  to  questions like "How much fuel is left when I go
     on reserve?",  "Exactly how is the range number  determined,
     and  how  accurate is it?", "How are the instant and average
     MPG figured? (are they measured or estimated?)", "What kinds
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     typical driving?", etc.

          I've  also  heard  that  there  are  some  tricky   and
     interesting  things about the engine in this car - computer-
     controlled, etc.  There is nothing about this in the  owners
     manual.  Perhaps it's in the shop guide?

     _7.  _C_e_n_t_e_r _D_a_s_h

          The radio controls should be closer to the  gear  lever
     when  in "Drive".  Many drivers rest their right hand on the
     gear lever and tune the radio - it's now  almost  impossible
     to reach the radio buttons this way.

          The directional arrow lights for the cassette  tape  on
     the  Bose  stereo  does not dim with the other lights in the
     cabin.  This is a little annoying when driving at night with
     a tape playing.

          The owners manual says that a "demonstration  tape"  is
     supplied  with  each  and  every  car for the Bose.  I never
     received such a tape.

          A "lamp test switch" is needed for  the  lamps  in  the
     center  display.   Even  now I'm not sure I know what all of
     the lamps are.  Perhaps they could all come on and then fade
     off, like on the speedometer, tach & "seat belt" lights.

          The air conditioning on the car works  very  well.   My
     principal  complaint  about  the  ventilation system is that
     there should be a way to get fresh air up above, and  heated
     air down below.  BMW has done a very good job with this, and
     all GM cars seem to have the same, poor fresh  air  ventila-
     tion systems.

     _8.  _R_e_m_o_v_a_b_l_e _R_o_o_f

          With a little practice I find I can take the  roof  off
     and  put  it  back  on again in about 5 minutes.  The little
     tools works well.  However, the tool  could  be  built  such
     that  it  doesn't  scratch the seats when loosening the rear
     bolts.  Also, I've noticed that one of the  rear  bolts  (on
     the driver's side), is coming out of it's little holder, and
     is in danger of getting lost.  I would encourage dealers  to
     stock  spares.  I don't use the rear storage compartment for
     the roof tool.  It's easier just to let  it  fall  into  the
     deep part of the center console.

          I've also noticed that, at least on my particular  car,
     the  little  black bolt on the left hand side that holds the
     rubber molding to the frame, up where the roof contacts  the
     car  -  right where you might put your left hand if you were
     driving with the roof off - this bolt has  come  loose,  and
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     _9.  _E_x_t_e_r_i_o_r _P_a_i_n_t

          The paint I've seen on two or three cars, including  my
     black  one,  has an "orange peel" texture.  I've been quoted
     $600 to have it water sanded.  When the car left the  dealer
     it  also  had  many swirl marks in the paint (very unattrac-
     tive), and what appeared to be just a coat  of  liquid  wax.
     The dealer has told me they will fix this part for no charge
     (although I'm a little doubtful of their  capability  to  do
     so).

     _1_0.  _P_a_r_k_i_n_g _B_r_a_k_e

          The location of the brake lever is fine.  However,  the
     brake  indicator lamp on the center dash does not extinguish
     all the time.  Sometimes it will go out, and then  light  up
     again  after  the lever is bumped slightly by my leg.  Seems
     to me like the switch there could have a little more  "posi-
     tive action" to it.

     _1_1.  _D_r_i_v_e _T_r_a_i_n

          I am very pleased with what some people would call  the
     most  important  part of the car - the drive train.  The way
     the engine starts, its performance when cold, the  accelera-
     tion  and  handling  -  all  really good.  And although I've
     never owned an automatic before, this one  is  really  nice.
     It  does  seem  like there are some "extra shifts" in there,
     but as the owner's manual explains,  this  is  a  "feature".
     Because  of  that, though, some sort of visual indication as
     to which gear I am actually in would  be  really  useful  at
     times.   It  would help me know whether or not to downshift,
     for one thing, or how early to apply power for maximum  per-
     formance cornering, for another.

          I have also found that the engine is remarkably  quiet.
     I've driven Porsche's and Ferarri's which were so loud as to
     be uncomfortable (largely  due  to  their  rear  engines,  I
     guess).

          My only complaint about the wonderfully arranged engine
     compartment is that one item I get to often is a little hard
     to reach - the oil filter.  If there were a way to have more
     easily  accessable,  that  would be great.  I change the oil
     once every 3000 miles, and use Pennzoil  10-40W,  with  Fram
     PH30  filters,  by the way.  And my oil temperature seems to
     hover around 235 deg F.

     _1_2.  _S_u_g_g_e_s_t_e_d _E_n_h_a_n_c_e_m_e_n_t_s

          I would like to see some indication of  brake  tempera-
     tures.   If  one of the brakes is heating unduely, I want to
     know about it.  Possibly a digital guage with 4  lamps,  the
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     which brake is hottest.

          An "Estimated Time  of  Arrival"  indicator,  based  on
     miles  to go and current average speed, would be useful.  On
     long trips I am continually wanting to know when  I'm  going
     to  arrive,  and  if  I  speed up or slow down a little, I'm
     curious as to how that's going to affect my arrival time.

          A temperature-oriented air conditioner and heater would
     be  very nice.  It would save much knob-fiddling.  Also use-
     ful would be a simple interior temperature guage.  It's nice
     to  know  if the car got so hot as to damage the film in the
     camera I accidentally left in the car, for  example,  or  if
     I'm  going  to  burn  my  legs  when I sit down on those hot
     seats.

          The oil pressure could be displayed instead of the  oil
     temperature  when  the  temperature  is  too  low.  I'm most
     interested in the pressure right after I start  the  engine,
     anyway,  and  the  temperature  as I'm driving.  This change
     seems like it would give me the best of both.

          If I could improve the Bose stereo in any way, I  would
     allow  people to listen to the radio while tapes are rewind-
     ing, and I would have an option to tell the  radio  "station
     scanner"  to ignore certain stations forever (up to 8, let's
     say).

     _1_3.  _S_e_r_v_i_c_e

          Having recently gone through the recall for  the  brake
     caliper bolts, I must say I'm very disappointed.  Everything
     had been going so well.  Several rear bolts were  broken  on
     the first day in the shop.  It took 3 WEEKS for the replace-
     ment bolts to arrive, and they were supposedly  ordered  VIP
     from  the  factory.   If I'm going to have to wait that long
     every time I get service, I'm afraid this isn't the car  for
     me,  regardless  of  how  well  it drives and feels.  I just
     can't afford the possibilty of being without  transportation
     for  that  long.   Perhaps  dealers  could  be encouraged to
     increase their spares stock.  From what  I  can  tell,  they
     carry  almost no spares.  Not even tires (and I've got those
     Z51 goodies, which are probably only available from the fac-
     tory).

          I am also disappointed that the car was extremely dirty
     when  it  was  returned to me.  The carpets were filthy, and
     the outside was covered in grime.  There were also a  number
     of  small scratches in the paint which were not there before
     the service.

          I'm confident I can work out these  kinds  of  problems
     with  my  dealership.   However, they also need support from
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     was a design flaw in the rear brake caliper bolts, for exam-
     ple, and you were having trouble making them for  ANYONE,  I
     could  understand a little better.   However, if the problem
     really is just getting the request to the  right  person  at
     the  manufacturing  plant (much more likely, in my opinion),
     and if all he has to do  is  Federal  Express  a  few  bolts
     out....   Well, you get the idea.  More feedback, please!





          I'm looking forward to the  clear  roof  screens  being
     available,  and  I've  also  heard  something about a turbo-
     charger.  I would appreciate someone letting me  know  about
     these when deliveries start.

          On the whole, I'm pleased  with  the  car.   I  realize
     there  are  some bugs in the system, and I hope I've contri-
     buted something through this letter.








     Richard Kiessig
     P.O. Box 50174
     Palo Alto, CA 94303


     Cc: Michael Lamm
         Owners' Report Editor
         Popular Mechanics
         P.O. Box 283
         Spring Valley, NY 10977



















                            July 22, 1983

dyer@wivax.UUCP (Stephen Dyer) (07/27/83)

One speaks of the rear window's "clarity", not "clearity".
"Guage" should be spelled "gauge".
"It's" is not the posessive of "it". "Its" is.

luigi@hplabs.UUCP (Luigi Semenzato) (07/28/83)

Who is this guy who corrects other people's spelling mistakes,
and doing so introduces new ones?
In the sentence
	"It's" is not the posessive of "it"
"posessive" should be "possessive".
-- 
	Luigi Semenzato	    HP Labs     Palo Alto, CA 94304

billh@hp-pcd.UUCP (Bill Hunt) (07/28/83)

#R:wivax:-1846800:hp-pcd:2400017:000:388
hp-pcd!billh    Jul 27 17:20:00 1983


	Does the net really need to see spelling corrections when they
do not affect the meaning of the note?  Most people (myself included)
fit into one of the two following catagories:

	1:  They notice the misspelling (and therefore know the 
	    intended meaning and probably the correct spelling)

	2:  They couldn't care less

	In this case, I fit into both 1 and 2 above...

				- Billh

dyer@wivax.UUCP (07/28/83)

Hoo boy, are you ever right!  When I reviewed my message (after it had been
sent out) I noticed the misspelling.  Just desserts, I guess.

On the other hand, I propose that there's a difference between a
quick slip of the finger in a netnews article due to haste and a LONG,
thoughtful review just rife with misspellings.  Remember, his letter
was going to muckymucks at GM who, we should assume, can spell.

Even as I admit my own slip, I really feel that there's little excuse
to subject the public to misspelled words.  It's the lexicographic
equivalent of having your fly open in public.  Hell, since we all
have "spell" on-line, there's even less excuse.

Steve Dyer
decvax!wivax!dyer

michaelk@tekmdp.UUCP (Michael Kersenbrock) (07/29/83)

I hate to extend the spelling discussion (it has been going on too long
on too many net groups). . .  I don't think that it seriously *bothers* anyone
to see misspellings.  However, the number and severity of the misspellings
reflect upon the person who wrote the message, and therefore affects the
seriousness to which that person's comments are taken.  If a person
does not take the time to correct massive gross spelling errors, how can that
person be expected to correct or organize his/her thoughts?  A person should 
want to spell correctly as possible -- not to please the readers, but simply to 
gain greater creditability for him/herself.  Correction of another's gross
misspellings usually does not gain anything for anyone. 

Mike Kersenbrock
Tektronix Microcomputer Development Products
Aloha, Oregon