[net.auto] Marine batteries

wsh@hou5f.UUCP (Willie Heck) (07/25/83)

     Please forgive me for posting this to net.auto as well as net.rec.boat,
but I thought the answer to this problem would be likely to be answered there.

     For use on my boat, I have what is known as a deep discharge battery.
(This differs from a regular automobile battery in that it is meant to supply
a charge over a long period of time and to be recharged many times from a
nearly discharged state.)  Depending on how much sailing I do at night,
however, the battery sometimes goes for long periods of time without any
use at all.  This is not good for the battery; it must be discharged from
time to time and then recharged.  My question is:  what is the best way to
do this?  Should I just attach a 12 volt headlight to the battery and run
it until it dims, and then recharge the battery?
     Please reply over the net, as I will be moving to a new machine next
week.  If you want to send mail, my return address is

                    ariel!hou5f!wsh, until I move, after which it will be
                    ariel!hou5g!wsh.

                                        Thank you,
                                        Willie Heck
                                        abi - holmdel
                                        (201) 834-3376

wookie@alice.UUCP (07/25/83)

I think we had better find a battery expert here at Murray Hill for this
battery question.  It is my understanding that a lead acid battery is best
kept fully charged at all times.  From time to time if it is unused it
should be trickle charged at a very low current (<1 amp?) every couple of
weeks.  A lead acid battery left at some discharged level will build up
hard sulfate on the plates which is not easily converted back to lead
peroxide and lead and thus the capacity is reduced.

My experience with nickle cadmium batteries however indicates that they are
best stored in a discharged state (this info came directly from engineers
at General Electric) and that they should be fully cycled from complete
charge to complete discharge.  Ni-cads exhibit a memory for the amount they
are used.  If you use you battery grass trimmers for 20 minutes and then
leave it on the charger the rest of the week, eventually they will only
run for 20 minutes and then die completely.  They also tend to crystalize
if left on the charger all the time and will not work at all unless you
zap them with a very high current for a short period of time (seconds)
to break down the crystals.  WARNING: This is a dangerous practice as
the battery can explode throwing potassium hydroxide all over the place!

Anyway in conclusion from what I have read it is best to keep a lead acid
battery fully charged at all times and the less you cycle it the longer it
will last.  A Ni-cad should be fully and deeply cycled or stored in a
discharged state.

Any experts out there on this subject??

					Keith Bauer
					White Tiger Racing

fred@umcp-cs.UUCP (08/02/83)

	From: wookie@alice.UUCP

	Ni-cads . . .  tend to crystalize if left on the charger
	all the time and will not work at all unless you zap them
	with a very high current for a short period of time (seconds)
	to break down the crystals.  WARNING: This is a dangerous
	practice as the battery can explode throwing potassium
	hydroxide all over the place!

					Keith Bauer
					White Tiger Racing

I once sucessfully revived my rechargeable ni-cad electronic flash
unit by doing just this. I used a small capacitor (about 30 mfd.),
charged it from the flash unit's recharger, then touched it to the
terminals of the flash unit, but with the polarity reversed. It's
now accepting a full charge, just like new. I imagine that doing
this with a much larger battery could well be dangerous, but there
doesn't seem to be much danger with the small (C-cell size) batteries
in a portable flash unit. Besides: no one warned me. I suppose that
another safety factor is that the total charge in the capacitor is
extremely limited, so the reverse current will only flow for a
fraction of a second, not long enough to cause an explosion.